The first file contains the table of contents and the first chapter. The second file contains a representative interior chapter. Note that the interior chapter is part of a long ongoing narrative thread, and there are mentions within it of persons and situations covered earlier in the book. It doesn't necessarily stand completely on its own, but in a book like this very few (if any) of the interior chapters really do.
It's good to remember that the book was written in 1869 for people living in 1869 and interested in Church politics and matters of faith; it assumes a certain familiarity with things going on in the Roman Catholic Church at that time, particularly Pius IX's Syllablus of Errors and his ongoing war on Modernism.
Re: Two Previews Are Now AvailablegmcdavidDecember 12 2007, 18:17:42 UTC
OK. I am sold. Literally--I just placed my order.
I was familiar with a lot of the history in the excerpts, and found the discussion readable and interesting. So I guess I also qualify as a "church geek".
What seemed so 19th century to me was the combination of the thoroughly negative tone and the scholarly detail. I don't see much of that in the (mostly Anglican) theological discussions I look at these days. Of course, some of that tone may be an artifact of the English translation.
Re: Two Previews Are Now Availablejeff_duntemannDecember 12 2007, 19:38:35 UTC
Thanks! The German academics just sort of wrote that way, I think, based on a couple of others that I have on the shelf. The translation was quick and had some quirks, which I mostly did not fix unless they were in some way misleading.
The Germans as a group have never gotten along well with the Pope, as the book relates in several places. So the tone was negative because the Germans had a grudge, and not always an unwarranted one. (This makes our current Pope an interesting anomaly.)
BTW, my other Old Catholic book was originally written by an Anglican, James Bass Mullinger, a reasonably well-known historian who later wrote the history of Cambridge University. It was originally written in English and is much easier to read. It covers the history of the first emergence of European Old Catholicism at the First Vatican Council and for the five years thereafter. There's a preview of that up there as well; see:
http://www.copperwood.com/PopeAndCouncilPreview.pdf
http://www.copperwood.com/PopeAndCouncilPreview02.pdf
The first file contains the table of contents and the first chapter. The second file contains a representative interior chapter. Note that the interior chapter is part of a long ongoing narrative thread, and there are mentions within it of persons and situations covered earlier in the book. It doesn't necessarily stand completely on its own, but in a book like this very few (if any) of the interior chapters really do.
It's good to remember that the book was written in 1869 for people living in 1869 and interested in Church politics and matters of faith; it assumes a certain familiarity with things going on in the Roman Catholic Church at that time, particularly Pius IX's Syllablus of Errors and his ongoing war on Modernism.
Let me know if this is what you're looking for.
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I was familiar with a lot of the history in the excerpts, and found the discussion readable and interesting. So I guess I also qualify as a "church geek".
What seemed so 19th century to me was the combination of the thoroughly negative tone and the scholarly detail. I don't see much of that in the (mostly Anglican) theological discussions I look at these days. Of course, some of that tone may be an artifact of the English translation.
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The Germans as a group have never gotten along well with the Pope, as the book relates in several places. So the tone was negative because the Germans had a grudge, and not always an unwarranted one. (This makes our current Pope an interesting anomaly.)
BTW, my other Old Catholic book was originally written by an Anglican, James Bass Mullinger, a reasonably well-known historian who later wrote the history of Cambridge University. It was originally written in English and is much easier to read. It covers the history of the first emergence of European Old Catholicism at the First Vatican Council and for the five years thereafter. There's a preview of that up there as well; see:
http://www.copperwood.com/NewReformationPreviewLong.pdf
I'd be curious to hear what you think of either book, since they don't sell huge numbers and I never hear from most buyers.
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