Wow, its been a long time. Sadly, I don't have much to say these days. I guess all I had to talk about was Smallville, and I don't have that much more to say about that
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Re: Britas15 (2 of 2)jeannevJuly 24 2011, 18:27:31 UTC
6. One thing I always told myself re: Clark and friends is that in the near future, he's going to have 2 great friends named Bruce and Diana. And they are going to have his back (and his theirs) in a way that Clark deserves. Clark had friends who were sometimes very, very good friends to him (like Chloe was in earlier seasons). But his best and truest friends were still to come when SV ended.
7. I dont understand the shows choices when it came to how they showed Clark and Lois as a couple. Sure, the words were there, but there wasn't much by way of the physical. I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out the whys. But ultimately, it comes to this...chemistry is subjective, and if a screen couple doesn't do it for you, then they just don't. Its not right or wrong, its just a personal feeling (a concept too many people are unable to grasp). There were wonderful moments for Clois, and Tom and Erica, but for me, there were just too many moments that felt off. In comparison, Clana just came across as more believable to me, especially in retrospect with something to compare it too. It doesn't mean that Clana wasn't frustrating and aggravating too many times to count. But I believed it in a way I couldn't with Clois.
For the record, I'd love to be so adorable and petite as Kristin Kreuk. I think she has a rocking little bod, even if I think she'd could use 10 more pounds.
8. It just seemed to me that Martha was not always at ease with Clark. They had some terrific moments together, but I guess I never felt that same depth of connection that Clark shared with Jonathan. I'm not sure how to explain it, but even look at an ep as recent as Hostage, with Martha having concocted this whole identity behind Clark's back, and it still seems to hint at a lack of fundamental trust between a mother and son that adds a layer to that relationship I found interesting, but sometimes disturbing.
9. Loved CF's Tess, and I though Cassidy and Tom could've set the screen on fire if given the chance. I suspect that TPTB recognized this, which is why you got the AU Tess and Clark stuff. Obviously they couldn't explore anything between RL Clark and Tess, because that would make no sense for him at all.
(6) Good point about Bruce and Diana. Also, for as upset as some viewers were to never have the two characters on the show, I wasn't. Can you just imagine what the PTB would have done with them? Ugh. (Also, like you, I choose to believe that Clark has very little to do with Chloe and Oliver after the show.)
(7) Regarding Kreuk, hers was an interesting physical evolution on the show. I think both she and Mack were actually teenagers in the beginning. And somewhere around Season 5 or 6, they grew into womanhood, both in appearance and in disposition.
Regarding Kreuk, I do think there was a very alluring sense of self-possession and grace about her in those later seasons. But because of the crap the character was so often put through, she didn't get to exude that enough. That, of course, doesn't detract from the fact that Lana was one of the more intriguing and striking beauties on the show. I wouldn't fuck her (Tess was more my taste), but I could stare at her for days.
(8) You know, your observations about Martha get at why I find her to be one of the more interesting characters to consider in retrospect. Because although I believe beyond question that she loved and adored both Jonathan and Clark, I'm not so sure she was ever truly content with the life she had with them.
Regarding Jonathan, I keep going back to the Lionel issue. And, setting aside my opinion of their dynamic, I think that Martha's clear attraction to a very worldly, very powerful man was perhaps telling of her feelings toward the guy she ended up with. Moreover, Martha always seemed so much happier working off of the farm (whether for Lionel or at the Talon). And that made sense. She grew up a city girl and, I believe, studied business as a young woman. But, she ended up marrying a poor farmer and adopting his life as hers. I mean, she had to look around sometimes and question the decision to sacrifice so much of herself to be with a man she loved. And I think she maybe sorta kinda regretted that decision occasionally. Because it's gotta say something that she left the farm in Season 6 and never really came back. I almost think she gave Clark and Lois the farm/house because she'd lost enough of her life to it already and didn't want that responsibility anymore.
Regarding Clark, I think it would take a lot out of even the sweetest, most generous people to raise him. And then to have to deal with the havoc his powers wreaked and the issues with Jor-El and the constant, constant drama -- I mean, my god. I know Martha loved her son, but here again, I do wonder whether she sometimes on some level wished her kid didn't come with the baggage that he did. And, yeah, she should've expected some sacrifices, seeing as she and her husband wanted to be parents so badly that they took an alien into their home. But still, Clark, by no fault of his own, totally overtook his parents' lives. And, here again, it's gotta say something that in "Hostage," it almost seemed like Clark and Martha had been estranged for the past three years. And even in Season 10, I felt distance between them. And I wonder whether that came from Martha simply wanting and needing that distance, from her simply being happier with the life she'd made for herself elsewhere, away from her son (and her late husband and the farm).
Re: Britas15 again.jeannevJuly 29 2011, 03:07:25 UTC
6. Me either. If Bruce and Diana had been on the show, how much you want to bet their stories would've been more about Chloe, or Lois, or Oliver, or anyone but Clark.
I find everything you said about Martha very much echoes my own feelings about the character. As much as I believe that she loved Jonathan beyond reason, and the same for Clark, I'm not sure I believe that Martha was satisfied with her life, or completely comfortable in it. I do think her exit made it almost seem like she was anxious to get away from the farm, and maybe even Clark. I agree with you that she and Clark seemed almost estranged. When she came back, as good as some of the Clark/Martha scenes were, it still felt like 2 people who had a distance in their relationship. And the whole way she berated him in the finale, basically talking some major bullshit, really put an exclamation point at the end of the Martha sentence for me.
No apologies for being long winded. I'm just sorry that LJ issues kept me from responding to this earlier.
7. I dont understand the shows choices when it came to how they showed Clark and Lois as a couple. Sure, the words were there, but there wasn't much by way of the physical. I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out the whys. But ultimately, it comes to this...chemistry is subjective, and if a screen couple doesn't do it for you, then they just don't. Its not right or wrong, its just a personal feeling (a concept too many people are unable to grasp). There were wonderful moments for Clois, and Tom and Erica, but for me, there were just too many moments that felt off. In comparison, Clana just came across as more believable to me, especially in retrospect with something to compare it too. It doesn't mean that Clana wasn't frustrating and aggravating too many times to count. But I believed it in a way I couldn't with Clois.
For the record, I'd love to be so adorable and petite as Kristin Kreuk. I think she has a rocking little bod, even if I think she'd could use 10 more pounds.
8. It just seemed to me that Martha was not always at ease with Clark. They had some terrific moments together, but I guess I never felt that same depth of connection that Clark shared with Jonathan. I'm not sure how to explain it, but even look at an ep as recent as Hostage, with Martha having concocted this whole identity behind Clark's back, and it still seems to hint at a lack of fundamental trust between a mother and son that adds a layer to that relationship I found interesting, but sometimes disturbing.
9. Loved CF's Tess, and I though Cassidy and Tom could've set the screen on fire if given the chance. I suspect that TPTB recognized this, which is why you got the AU Tess and Clark stuff. Obviously they couldn't explore anything between RL Clark and Tess, because that would make no sense for him at all.
10. I KNOW!! WASN'T IT?
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(7) Regarding Kreuk, hers was an interesting physical evolution on the show. I think both she and Mack were actually teenagers in the beginning. And somewhere around Season 5 or 6, they grew into womanhood, both in appearance and in disposition.
Regarding Kreuk, I do think there was a very alluring sense of self-possession and grace about her in those later seasons. But because of the crap the character was so often put through, she didn't get to exude that enough. That, of course, doesn't detract from the fact that Lana was one of the more intriguing and striking beauties on the show. I wouldn't fuck her (Tess was more my taste), but I could stare at her for days.
(8) You know, your observations about Martha get at why I find her to be one of the more interesting characters to consider in retrospect. Because although I believe beyond question that she loved and adored both Jonathan and Clark, I'm not so sure she was ever truly content with the life she had with them.
Regarding Jonathan, I keep going back to the Lionel issue. And, setting aside my opinion of their dynamic, I think that Martha's clear attraction to a very worldly, very powerful man was perhaps telling of her feelings toward the guy she ended up with. Moreover, Martha always seemed so much happier working off of the farm (whether for Lionel or at the Talon). And that made sense. She grew up a city girl and, I believe, studied business as a young woman. But, she ended up marrying a poor farmer and adopting his life as hers. I mean, she had to look around sometimes and question the decision to sacrifice so much of herself to be with a man she loved. And I think she maybe sorta kinda regretted that decision occasionally. Because it's gotta say something that she left the farm in Season 6 and never really came back. I almost think she gave Clark and Lois the farm/house because she'd lost enough of her life to it already and didn't want that responsibility anymore.
Regarding Clark, I think it would take a lot out of even the sweetest, most generous people to raise him. And then to have to deal with the havoc his powers wreaked and the issues with Jor-El and the constant, constant drama -- I mean, my god. I know Martha loved her son, but here again, I do wonder whether she sometimes on some level wished her kid didn't come with the baggage that he did. And, yeah, she should've expected some sacrifices, seeing as she and her husband wanted to be parents so badly that they took an alien into their home. But still, Clark, by no fault of his own, totally overtook his parents' lives. And, here again, it's gotta say something that in "Hostage," it almost seemed like Clark and Martha had been estranged for the past three years. And even in Season 10, I felt distance between them. And I wonder whether that came from Martha simply wanting and needing that distance, from her simply being happier with the life she'd made for herself elsewhere, away from her son (and her late husband and the farm).
Just my musings. Sorry they were so long-winded.
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I find everything you said about Martha very much echoes my own feelings about the character. As much as I believe that she loved Jonathan beyond reason, and the same for Clark, I'm not sure I believe that Martha was satisfied with her life, or completely comfortable in it. I do think her exit made it almost seem like she was anxious to get away from the farm, and maybe even Clark. I agree with you that she and Clark seemed almost estranged. When she came back, as good as some of the Clark/Martha scenes were, it still felt like 2 people who had a distance in their relationship. And the whole way she berated him in the finale, basically talking some major bullshit, really put an exclamation point at the end of the Martha sentence for me.
No apologies for being long winded. I'm just sorry that LJ issues kept me from responding to this earlier.
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