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Well I'm having fun here, I just needed to go somewhere by myself. Sometimes I think to feel better you just gotta be independent. Hung out with Shaun and Cory a little bit last night. It was fun cuz Shaun showed me where he worked and "borrowed" a golf cart and we rode around. Then we hiked up a hill that overlooked Corydon. It was pretty cool. Then today I went to the fair with Grandma and Walter, that was fun. But their county fair costs $7! I was gonna come home tomorrow, but I think my family's coming down. And I'd rather not be bored at home. Angela's gonna be out of town and Nathan will be busy. I should find out what Megan's doing since I won't be able to go shopping Sunday cuz of work. I really like it here besides Walter, he's being grumpy at me and it's really starting to get on my nerves.
I just got this email from my aunt and I think it's worth looking at. I hate talking about politics but I'm sick of people being so vulnerable to everything they hear. I don't know why people put so much stock into what people like Michael Moore say. It seems to me that he knows just as much as the rest of us. I think it's great that the media is trying to get people our age to vote. But people are just gonna vote for anybody. I say, get out there and see what the issues are and then vote. Don't jump into it blindly because your parents love Bush. Or because your friends want anyone but Bush. Do your own research. Ok that's my openmindedness. Now here's the email.
As with the previous anti-Kerry messages I have rec'd, I don't know how
accurate all this information is, but we should probably try to stay
informed regarding those people who we might put into Office....
Can you read this and tell any of these 18 men they are wrong about John
Kerry. This man shouldn't even be a Senator ~ he should be court-martialed.
T Boat Quotes about John Kerry
"We resent very deeply the false war crimes charges he made coming back from
Vietnam in 1971 and repeated in the book "Tour of Duty." We think those cast
an aspersion on all those living and dead, from our unit and other units in
Vietnam. We think that he knew he was lying when he made the charges, and we
think that they're insupportable. We intend to bring the truth about that to
the American people.
We believe, based on our experience with him, that he is totally unfit to be
the Commander-in-Chief."
-- John O'Neill, spokesman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be Commander-in-Chief of the armed
forces of the United States. This is not a political issue. It is a matter
of his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust -- all
absolute tenets of command. His biography, 'Tour of Duty,' by Douglas
Brinkley, is replete with gross exaggerations, distortions of fact,
contradictions and slanderous lies. His contempt for the military and
authority is evident by even a most casual review of this biography.
He arrived in-country with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-serving
determination to build a foundation for his political future. He was
aggressive, but vain and prone to impulsive judgment, often with disregard
for specific tactical assignments. He was a 'loose cannon.' In an
abbreviated tour of four months and 12 days, and with his specious medals
secure, Lt.(jg) Kerry bugged out and began his infamous betrayal of all
United States forces in the Vietnam War. That included our soldiers, our
marines, our sailors, our coast guardsmen, our airmen, and our POWs.
His leadership within the so-called Vietnam Veterans Against the War and
testimony before Congress in 1971 charging us with unspeakable atrocities
remain an undocumented but nevertheless meticulous stain on the men and
women who honorably stayed the course. Senator Kerry is not fit for
command."
-- Rear Admiral Roy Hoffman, USN (retired), chairman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
"During Lt.(jg) Kerry's tour, he was under my command for two or three
specific operations, before his rapid exit. Trust, loyalty and judgment are
the key, operative words. His turncoat performance in 1971 in his grubby
shirt and his medal-tossing escapade, coupled with his slanderous lines in
the recent book portraying us that served, including all POWs and MIAs, as
murderous war criminals, I believe, will have a lasting effect on all
military veterans and their families.
Kerry would be described as devious, self-absorbing, manipulative, disdain
for authority, disruptive, but the most common phrase that you'd hear is
'requires constant supervision.'"
-- Captain Charles Plumly, USN (retired)
"Thirty-five years ago, many of us fell silent when we came back to the
stain of sewage that Mr. Kerry had thrown on us, and all of our colleagues
who served over there. I don't intend to be silent today or ever again.
Our young men and women who are serving deserve no less."
-- Andrew Horne
"In my specific, personal experience in both coastal and river patrols over
a 12-month period, I never once saw or heard anything remotely resembling
the atrocities described by Senator Kerry. If I had, it would have been my
obligation to report them in writing to a higher authority, and I would
certainly have done that. If Senator Kerry actually witnessed or
participated in these atrocities or, as he described them, 'war crimes,' he
was obligated to report them. That he did not until later when it suited his
political purposes strikes me as opportunism of the worst kind.
That he would malign my service and that of his fellow sailors with no
regard for the truth makes him totally unqualified to serve as
Commander-in-Chief."
-- Jeffrey Wainscott
"I signed that letter because I, too felt a deep sense of betrayal that
someone who took the same oath of loyalty as I did as an officer in the
United States Navy would abandon his group here (points to group photo) to
join this group here (points to VVAW protest photo), and come home and
attempt to rally the American public against the effort that this group was
so valiantly pursuing.
It is a fact that in the entire Vietnam War we did not lose one major
battle. We lost the war at home ... and at home, John Kerry was the Field
General."
-- Robert Elder
"My daughters and my wife have read portions of the book 'Tour of Duty.'
They wanted to know if I took part in the atrocities described. I do not
believe the things that are described happened.
Let me give you an example. In Brinkley's book, on pages 170 to 171, about
something called the 'Bo De massacre' on November 24th of 1968... In Kerry's
description of the engagement, first he claimed there were 17 servicemen
that were wounded. Three of us were wounded. I was the first..."
-- Joseph Ponder
"While in Cam Rahn Bay, he trained on several 24-hour indoctrination
missions, and one special skimmer operation with my most senior and trusted
Lieutenant. The briefing from some members of that crew the morning after
revealed that they had not received any enemy fire, and yet Lt.(jg) Kerry
informed me of a wound -- he showed me a scratch on his arm and a piece of
shrapnel in his hand that appeared to be from one of our own M-79s. It was
later reported to me that Lt.(jg) Kerry had fired an M-79, and it had
exploded off the adjacent shoreline. I do not recall being advised of any
medical treatment, and probably said something like 'Forget it.' He later
received a Purple Heart for that scratch, and I have no information as to
how or whom.
Lt.(jg) Kerry was allowed to return to the good old USA after 4 months and a
few days in-country, and then he proceeded to betray his former shipmates,
calling them criminals who were committing atrocities.
Today we are here to tell you that just the opposite is true. Our rules of
engagement were quite strict, and the officers and men of Swift often did
not even return fire when they were under fire if there was a possibility
that innocent people -- fishermen, in a lot of cases -- might be hurt or
injured. The rules and the good intentions of the men increased the
possibility that we might take friendly casualties."
-- Commander Grant Hibbard, USN (retired)
"Lt. Kerry returned home from the war to make some outrageous statements and
allegations .. of numerous criminal acts in violation of the law of war were
cited by Kerry, disparaging those who had fought with honor in that
conflict. Had war crimes been committed by US forces in Vietnam? Yes, but
such acts were few and far between. Yet Lt. Kerry have numerous speeches and
testimony before Congress inappropriately leading his audiences to believe
that what was only an anomaly in the conduct of America's fighting men was
an epidemic. Furthermore, he suggested that they were being encouraged to
violated the law of war by those within the chain of command.
Very specific orders, on file at the Vietnam archives at Texas Tech
University, were issued by my father [Admiral Elmo Zumwalt] and others in
his chain of command instructing subordinates to act responsibly in
preserving the life and property of Vietnamese civilians."
-- Lt. Col. James Zumwalt, USMC (retired)
"We look at Vietnam ... after all these years it is still languishing in
isolated poverty and helplessness and tyranny. This is John Kerry's legacy.
I deeply resent John Kerry's using his Swift boat experience, and his
betrayal of those who fought there as a steppingstone to his political
ambitions."
-- Barnard Wolff
"In a whole year that I spent patrolling, I didn't see anything like a war
crime, an atrocity, anything like that. Time and again I saw American
fighting men put themselves in graver danger trying to avoid collateral
damage.
When John Kerry returned to the country, he was sworn in front of Congress.
And then he told my family -- my parents, my sister, my brother, my
neighbors -- he told everyone I knew and everyone I'd ever know that I and
my comrades had committed unspeakable atrocities."
-- David Wallace
"I served with these guys. I went on missions with them, and these men
served honorably. Up and down the chain of command there was no acquiescence
to atrocities. It was not condoned, it did not happen, and it was not
reported to me verbally or in writing by any of these men including Lt.(jg)
Kerry.
In 1971, '72, for almost 18 months, he stood before the television audiences
and claimed that the 500,000 men and women in Vietnam, and in combat, were
all villains -- there were no heroes. In 2004, one hero from the Vietnam War
has appeared, running for President of the United States and
Commander-in-Chief. It just galls one to think about it."
-- Captain George Elliott, USN (retired)
"During the Vietnam War I was Task Force Commander at An Thoi, and my tour
of duty was 13 months, from the end of Tet to the beginning of the
Vietnamization of the Navy units.
Now when I went there right after Tet, I was restricted in my movements. I
couldn't go much of anyplace because the Vietcong controlled most of
the area. When I left, I could go anywhere I wanted, just about. Commerce
was booming, the buses were running, trucks were going, the waterways were
filled with sampans with goods going to market, but yet in Kerry's biography
he says that our operations were a complete failure. He also mentions a
formal conference with me, to try to get more air cover and so on. That
conference never happened..."
-- Captain Adrian Lonsdale, USCG (retired)
"I was in An Thoi from June of '68 to June of '69, covering the whole period
that John Kerry was there. I operated in every river, in every canal, and
every offshore patrol area in the 4th Corps area, from Cambodia all the way
around to the Bo De River. I never saw, even heard of all of these so-called
atrocities and things that we were supposed to have done.
This is not true. We're not standing for it. We want to set the record
straight."
-- William Shumadine
"In 1971, when John Kerry spoke out to America, labeling all Vietnam
veterans as thugs and murderers, I was shocked and almost brought to my
knees, because even though I had served at the same time and same unit, I
had never witnessed or participated in any of the events that the Senator
had accused us of. I strongly believe that the statements made by the
Senator were not only false and inaccurate, but extremely harmful to the
United States' efforts in Southeast Asia and the rest of the world.
Tragically, some veterans, scorned by the antiwar movement and their allies,
retreated to a life of despair and suicide. Two of my crewmates were among
them. For that there is no forgiveness. "
-- Richard O'Meara
"My name is Steve Gardner. I served in 1966 and 1967 on my first tour of
duty in Vietnam on Swift boats, and I did my second tour in '68 and '69,
involved with John Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour. The John Kerry
that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying. I
served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub,
and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in
jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy . if a man like that can't handle that
6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?"
-- Steven Gardner
"I served in Vietnam as a boat officer from June of 1968 to July of 1969. My
service was three months in Coastal Division 13 out of Cat Lo, and nine
months with Coastal Division 11 based in An Thoi. John Kerry was in An Thoi
the same time I was. I'm here today to express the anger I have harbored for
over 33 years, about being accused with my fellow shipmates of war atrocities.
All I can say is when I leave here today, I'm going down to the Wall to tell
my two crew members it's not true, and that they and the other 49 Swiftees
who are on the Wall were then and are still now the best."
-- Robert Brant
"I never saw, heard of, or participated in any Swift boat crews killing
cattle, poisoning crops, or raping and killing civilians as charged by John
Kerry, both in his book and in public statements. Since we both operated at
the same time, in the same general area, and on the same missions under the
same commanders, it is hard to believe his claims of atrocities and poor
planning of Sea Lord missions.
I signed this letter because I feel that he used Swift boat sailors to
proclaim his antiwar statements after the war, and now he uses the same
Swift boat sailors to support his claims of being a war hero. He cannot have
it both ways, and we are here to ask for full disclosure of the proof of his
claims."
-- James Steffes
So a couple of these hit me. I did say we shouldn't just believe everything that we hear. I've done a lot of research into the military though, since I have considered it. And I've learned from Burns, but probably everyone knows that the motto of the military is "no man left behind". So how is it that all Kerry's fellow servicemen say it's not true? If they all committed crimes over there and he didn't, wouldn't he be guilty of not following orders? I just find it hard to believe one man against all the rest. I haven't searched for servicemen on his side, but if anyone finds some, let me know. I doubt you're gonna find them. What kind of loyalty is that to fight with those men and come back and accuse them? I know that many of you on here cannot stand Bush. And that is your opinion and I respect it. But is Kerry really that much of an improvement? Oh bah, Bush is against gay marriage. Then so is Kerry. I just urge you all to think about the possibilities before you make your decision about who can make this country better.
That's exhausting, I hate politics.
I just got this email from my aunt and I think it's worth looking at. I hate talking about politics but I'm sick of people being so vulnerable to everything they hear. I don't know why people put so much stock into what people like Michael Moore say. It seems to me that he knows just as much as the rest of us. I think it's great that the media is trying to get people our age to vote. But people are just gonna vote for anybody. I say, get out there and see what the issues are and then vote. Don't jump into it blindly because your parents love Bush. Or because your friends want anyone but Bush. Do your own research. Ok that's my openmindedness. Now here's the email.
As with the previous anti-Kerry messages I have rec'd, I don't know how
accurate all this information is, but we should probably try to stay
informed regarding those people who we might put into Office....
Can you read this and tell any of these 18 men they are wrong about John
Kerry. This man shouldn't even be a Senator ~ he should be court-martialed.
T Boat Quotes about John Kerry
"We resent very deeply the false war crimes charges he made coming back from
Vietnam in 1971 and repeated in the book "Tour of Duty." We think those cast
an aspersion on all those living and dead, from our unit and other units in
Vietnam. We think that he knew he was lying when he made the charges, and we
think that they're insupportable. We intend to bring the truth about that to
the American people.
We believe, based on our experience with him, that he is totally unfit to be
the Commander-in-Chief."
-- John O'Neill, spokesman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be Commander-in-Chief of the armed
forces of the United States. This is not a political issue. It is a matter
of his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust -- all
absolute tenets of command. His biography, 'Tour of Duty,' by Douglas
Brinkley, is replete with gross exaggerations, distortions of fact,
contradictions and slanderous lies. His contempt for the military and
authority is evident by even a most casual review of this biography.
He arrived in-country with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-serving
determination to build a foundation for his political future. He was
aggressive, but vain and prone to impulsive judgment, often with disregard
for specific tactical assignments. He was a 'loose cannon.' In an
abbreviated tour of four months and 12 days, and with his specious medals
secure, Lt.(jg) Kerry bugged out and began his infamous betrayal of all
United States forces in the Vietnam War. That included our soldiers, our
marines, our sailors, our coast guardsmen, our airmen, and our POWs.
His leadership within the so-called Vietnam Veterans Against the War and
testimony before Congress in 1971 charging us with unspeakable atrocities
remain an undocumented but nevertheless meticulous stain on the men and
women who honorably stayed the course. Senator Kerry is not fit for
command."
-- Rear Admiral Roy Hoffman, USN (retired), chairman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
"During Lt.(jg) Kerry's tour, he was under my command for two or three
specific operations, before his rapid exit. Trust, loyalty and judgment are
the key, operative words. His turncoat performance in 1971 in his grubby
shirt and his medal-tossing escapade, coupled with his slanderous lines in
the recent book portraying us that served, including all POWs and MIAs, as
murderous war criminals, I believe, will have a lasting effect on all
military veterans and their families.
Kerry would be described as devious, self-absorbing, manipulative, disdain
for authority, disruptive, but the most common phrase that you'd hear is
'requires constant supervision.'"
-- Captain Charles Plumly, USN (retired)
"Thirty-five years ago, many of us fell silent when we came back to the
stain of sewage that Mr. Kerry had thrown on us, and all of our colleagues
who served over there. I don't intend to be silent today or ever again.
Our young men and women who are serving deserve no less."
-- Andrew Horne
"In my specific, personal experience in both coastal and river patrols over
a 12-month period, I never once saw or heard anything remotely resembling
the atrocities described by Senator Kerry. If I had, it would have been my
obligation to report them in writing to a higher authority, and I would
certainly have done that. If Senator Kerry actually witnessed or
participated in these atrocities or, as he described them, 'war crimes,' he
was obligated to report them. That he did not until later when it suited his
political purposes strikes me as opportunism of the worst kind.
That he would malign my service and that of his fellow sailors with no
regard for the truth makes him totally unqualified to serve as
Commander-in-Chief."
-- Jeffrey Wainscott
"I signed that letter because I, too felt a deep sense of betrayal that
someone who took the same oath of loyalty as I did as an officer in the
United States Navy would abandon his group here (points to group photo) to
join this group here (points to VVAW protest photo), and come home and
attempt to rally the American public against the effort that this group was
so valiantly pursuing.
It is a fact that in the entire Vietnam War we did not lose one major
battle. We lost the war at home ... and at home, John Kerry was the Field
General."
-- Robert Elder
"My daughters and my wife have read portions of the book 'Tour of Duty.'
They wanted to know if I took part in the atrocities described. I do not
believe the things that are described happened.
Let me give you an example. In Brinkley's book, on pages 170 to 171, about
something called the 'Bo De massacre' on November 24th of 1968... In Kerry's
description of the engagement, first he claimed there were 17 servicemen
that were wounded. Three of us were wounded. I was the first..."
-- Joseph Ponder
"While in Cam Rahn Bay, he trained on several 24-hour indoctrination
missions, and one special skimmer operation with my most senior and trusted
Lieutenant. The briefing from some members of that crew the morning after
revealed that they had not received any enemy fire, and yet Lt.(jg) Kerry
informed me of a wound -- he showed me a scratch on his arm and a piece of
shrapnel in his hand that appeared to be from one of our own M-79s. It was
later reported to me that Lt.(jg) Kerry had fired an M-79, and it had
exploded off the adjacent shoreline. I do not recall being advised of any
medical treatment, and probably said something like 'Forget it.' He later
received a Purple Heart for that scratch, and I have no information as to
how or whom.
Lt.(jg) Kerry was allowed to return to the good old USA after 4 months and a
few days in-country, and then he proceeded to betray his former shipmates,
calling them criminals who were committing atrocities.
Today we are here to tell you that just the opposite is true. Our rules of
engagement were quite strict, and the officers and men of Swift often did
not even return fire when they were under fire if there was a possibility
that innocent people -- fishermen, in a lot of cases -- might be hurt or
injured. The rules and the good intentions of the men increased the
possibility that we might take friendly casualties."
-- Commander Grant Hibbard, USN (retired)
"Lt. Kerry returned home from the war to make some outrageous statements and
allegations .. of numerous criminal acts in violation of the law of war were
cited by Kerry, disparaging those who had fought with honor in that
conflict. Had war crimes been committed by US forces in Vietnam? Yes, but
such acts were few and far between. Yet Lt. Kerry have numerous speeches and
testimony before Congress inappropriately leading his audiences to believe
that what was only an anomaly in the conduct of America's fighting men was
an epidemic. Furthermore, he suggested that they were being encouraged to
violated the law of war by those within the chain of command.
Very specific orders, on file at the Vietnam archives at Texas Tech
University, were issued by my father [Admiral Elmo Zumwalt] and others in
his chain of command instructing subordinates to act responsibly in
preserving the life and property of Vietnamese civilians."
-- Lt. Col. James Zumwalt, USMC (retired)
"We look at Vietnam ... after all these years it is still languishing in
isolated poverty and helplessness and tyranny. This is John Kerry's legacy.
I deeply resent John Kerry's using his Swift boat experience, and his
betrayal of those who fought there as a steppingstone to his political
ambitions."
-- Barnard Wolff
"In a whole year that I spent patrolling, I didn't see anything like a war
crime, an atrocity, anything like that. Time and again I saw American
fighting men put themselves in graver danger trying to avoid collateral
damage.
When John Kerry returned to the country, he was sworn in front of Congress.
And then he told my family -- my parents, my sister, my brother, my
neighbors -- he told everyone I knew and everyone I'd ever know that I and
my comrades had committed unspeakable atrocities."
-- David Wallace
"I served with these guys. I went on missions with them, and these men
served honorably. Up and down the chain of command there was no acquiescence
to atrocities. It was not condoned, it did not happen, and it was not
reported to me verbally or in writing by any of these men including Lt.(jg)
Kerry.
In 1971, '72, for almost 18 months, he stood before the television audiences
and claimed that the 500,000 men and women in Vietnam, and in combat, were
all villains -- there were no heroes. In 2004, one hero from the Vietnam War
has appeared, running for President of the United States and
Commander-in-Chief. It just galls one to think about it."
-- Captain George Elliott, USN (retired)
"During the Vietnam War I was Task Force Commander at An Thoi, and my tour
of duty was 13 months, from the end of Tet to the beginning of the
Vietnamization of the Navy units.
Now when I went there right after Tet, I was restricted in my movements. I
couldn't go much of anyplace because the Vietcong controlled most of
the area. When I left, I could go anywhere I wanted, just about. Commerce
was booming, the buses were running, trucks were going, the waterways were
filled with sampans with goods going to market, but yet in Kerry's biography
he says that our operations were a complete failure. He also mentions a
formal conference with me, to try to get more air cover and so on. That
conference never happened..."
-- Captain Adrian Lonsdale, USCG (retired)
"I was in An Thoi from June of '68 to June of '69, covering the whole period
that John Kerry was there. I operated in every river, in every canal, and
every offshore patrol area in the 4th Corps area, from Cambodia all the way
around to the Bo De River. I never saw, even heard of all of these so-called
atrocities and things that we were supposed to have done.
This is not true. We're not standing for it. We want to set the record
straight."
-- William Shumadine
"In 1971, when John Kerry spoke out to America, labeling all Vietnam
veterans as thugs and murderers, I was shocked and almost brought to my
knees, because even though I had served at the same time and same unit, I
had never witnessed or participated in any of the events that the Senator
had accused us of. I strongly believe that the statements made by the
Senator were not only false and inaccurate, but extremely harmful to the
United States' efforts in Southeast Asia and the rest of the world.
Tragically, some veterans, scorned by the antiwar movement and their allies,
retreated to a life of despair and suicide. Two of my crewmates were among
them. For that there is no forgiveness. "
-- Richard O'Meara
"My name is Steve Gardner. I served in 1966 and 1967 on my first tour of
duty in Vietnam on Swift boats, and I did my second tour in '68 and '69,
involved with John Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour. The John Kerry
that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying. I
served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub,
and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in
jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy . if a man like that can't handle that
6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?"
-- Steven Gardner
"I served in Vietnam as a boat officer from June of 1968 to July of 1969. My
service was three months in Coastal Division 13 out of Cat Lo, and nine
months with Coastal Division 11 based in An Thoi. John Kerry was in An Thoi
the same time I was. I'm here today to express the anger I have harbored for
over 33 years, about being accused with my fellow shipmates of war atrocities.
All I can say is when I leave here today, I'm going down to the Wall to tell
my two crew members it's not true, and that they and the other 49 Swiftees
who are on the Wall were then and are still now the best."
-- Robert Brant
"I never saw, heard of, or participated in any Swift boat crews killing
cattle, poisoning crops, or raping and killing civilians as charged by John
Kerry, both in his book and in public statements. Since we both operated at
the same time, in the same general area, and on the same missions under the
same commanders, it is hard to believe his claims of atrocities and poor
planning of Sea Lord missions.
I signed this letter because I feel that he used Swift boat sailors to
proclaim his antiwar statements after the war, and now he uses the same
Swift boat sailors to support his claims of being a war hero. He cannot have
it both ways, and we are here to ask for full disclosure of the proof of his
claims."
-- James Steffes
So a couple of these hit me. I did say we shouldn't just believe everything that we hear. I've done a lot of research into the military though, since I have considered it. And I've learned from Burns, but probably everyone knows that the motto of the military is "no man left behind". So how is it that all Kerry's fellow servicemen say it's not true? If they all committed crimes over there and he didn't, wouldn't he be guilty of not following orders? I just find it hard to believe one man against all the rest. I haven't searched for servicemen on his side, but if anyone finds some, let me know. I doubt you're gonna find them. What kind of loyalty is that to fight with those men and come back and accuse them? I know that many of you on here cannot stand Bush. And that is your opinion and I respect it. But is Kerry really that much of an improvement? Oh bah, Bush is against gay marriage. Then so is Kerry. I just urge you all to think about the possibilities before you make your decision about who can make this country better.
That's exhausting, I hate politics.