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maggiebunny September 19 2005, 23:12:03 UTC
seriously, what does this guy need to prove?

if you dont want to say God, a nice silent pause is perfectly acceptable... think of all of the songs we're gonna have to change now... :oP

whateverrrrrr

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cosmictwilight September 20 2005, 04:36:26 UTC
here here! i agree completey. its tradition, its like our country's motto, so get over it.

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iceypyro September 20 2005, 05:59:19 UTC
the only problem is when kids (I've witnissed this happening) get detention for not standing up and reciting that part of the pledge... slightly overboard huh...

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cosmictwilight September 20 2005, 14:57:22 UTC
I've seen it too, only reason that's allowed is because if the teacher asks you to stand and you don't its insubordination. there is no other reason they can get detention for that.

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iceypyro September 21 2005, 19:15:03 UTC
well they did stand, they just didn't speak..... why should there even be a pledge... it would be sending out the same message if they said "wooo go america, we're awesome" there's really no point in saying the pledge anymore... anyone who actually does sing it is merely doing it monotonously (sp?) out of habit... whatever you'd like to call it, whenever i hear anyone say it they're all droning the words and no one actually gives them any meaning... what's the point... and i think the god thing kinda goes against school policy not to talk about religion.. though that's an almost impossible thing to do in such a religious country

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jaydahmers September 22 2005, 00:08:49 UTC
The pledge is just a nice gesture of respect to this country, and seriously, nobody except for me said the pledge everyday in high school (because I was the one who said it on the announcements)... people just stood out of respect.

And it's impossible to completely exclude religion from a public setting, considering our currency has "in god we trust" on it... and our country was shaped from religious principles.

I like your icon, btw.

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cosmictwilight September 22 2005, 02:33:57 UTC
Well you're right in that we don't have the same respect for the pledge that we as a nation used to. Good ot bad that's how it is. Its how we as a country have changed. But its still tradition. Like our motto "In God we Trust". We were founded by religious people, despite the fact we've legally separated church and state (as it should be strictly enforced! but unfortunately zealots have blurred that line...-_-). In schools one can discuss religion, they can't pray, preach or endorse one, just discuss it, which I have no problem with, learning (like we're supposed to in schooL, go figure) about other cultures and religions and all that is essential in the rapidly growing global community. we shouldn't be nearly as religious as we've become in the political sphere, but that's how the pendulum has swung, sadly.

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