Most of the Virgin Birth and Son of God came from the Romans in 300 AD, when the took over the Christian movement and shaped it to suit their own purposes.
Correct, and we have to laugh when at the Council of Nicea in 325 it was decided by a vote which books to include in the Bible as we know it now and which to exclude.
Most of that "Son of God" thing came from the apostle Paul, after his conversion - he doesn't mention anything about the life of Jesus before the resurrection, which to him was the only thing that mattered. Jesus (if he existed) seemed more a Jewish reformer who sought to bring the Jews back to Old Testament values, nowhere will you find Jesus claiming to be God himself, that all came along later when Paul invented Christianity, which would better be called "Paulanity".
I will have to put you on my list of those that I would like to have a glass of wine with and discuss things. By the way those books that I recommended, Barbara Theiring is an Aussy Lady, well worth reading, the Laurence Gardner book is worth reading as well. Both people believe that Christ survived the Crusifixion.
It won't surprise you to hear I've read both those books. I went through a phase of reading what my mum calls "diabolicals", sort of religious revisionist history, fascinating stuff but I don't take it all as fact.
Would love to take you up on the wine offer, it's good to talk to some people who have actually lived more of life as opposed to just reading about it like me.
Certainly Gardener could be considered revisionist, almost science fiction in places. That aside, his description of the events around the the crucifixion is certainly plausible, if not enlightening. This is especially true of his book, "Genesis of the Grail Kings." But the history of the Old Testament writings, in this book, was very interesting
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Most of that "Son of God" thing came from the apostle Paul, after his conversion - he doesn't mention anything about the life of Jesus before the resurrection, which to him was the only thing that mattered. Jesus (if he existed) seemed more a Jewish reformer who sought to bring the Jews back to Old Testament values, nowhere will you find Jesus claiming to be God himself, that all came along later when Paul invented Christianity, which would better be called "Paulanity".
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Would love to take you up on the wine offer, it's good to talk to some people who have actually lived more of life as opposed to just reading about it like me.
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