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My essay in the WisCon Chronicles about religion

Jun 09, 2010 11:37

This post is a response to comments in the WisCon LJ about my essay in the WisCon Chronicles, Vol. 4. It is very long, and even includes a p.s. and excerpts from panel descriptions at the end.

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Full descriptions for the panels that caused offense ide_cyan June 9 2010, 19:12:23 UTC

I was curious to find out what the full descriptions of those panels whose descriptions you & others found offensive. I think it would be useful to include them in full, for context, especially for those like me who weren't there and do not have the pocket programs at hand for reference. Took me a while to locate the archives for WisCon 33, but here they are:

60 We Are the Apes Who Pray ( ... )

Re: Full descriptions for the panels that caused offense izzybelbooks June 9 2010, 19:43:37 UTC

Thanks for posting these. I was using my pocket program and I didn't think to go to the archives!

Re: Full descriptions for the panels that caused offense ide_cyan June 10 2010, 02:44:06 UTC

You expanded the quotations in your entry without marking the edits. But you keep leaving out the "As an atheist" start of the sentence from panel 60.

Re: Full descriptions for the panels that caused offense izzybelbooks June 10 2010, 02:46:40 UTC

I haven't edited the entry, so I'm not sure to what you're referring.

Re: Full descriptions for the panels that caused offense ide_cyan June 10 2010, 03:08:13 UTC

My mistake -- I thought you'd added more quotations from the panel descriptions.

But what I'm referring to is -- leaving off the "as an atheist" part of the sentence you quote from panel 60 completely changes the implications of that sentence: by removing the subject, you shift what follows from being said about the position of atheists in theist-dominated societies to being a generalised statement. Removing the dynamics of that statement gives the impression that it speaks for everyone, and that looks to me like you're making it offensive.

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Re: Full descriptions for the panels that caused offense izzybelbooks June 10 2010, 03:29:43 UTC

To clarify, I excerpted the descriptions for the reasons mentioned in my response to ide_cyan.

Re: Full descriptions for the panels that caused offense izzybelbooks June 10 2010, 03:27:55 UTC

At the beginning of that section I say "some excerpts from their descriptions" to make it clear that I am not including the whole thing. I excerpted for 2 reasons: 1-I didn't want to type out all the descriptions since it would make an already long post longer, and 2-I don't feel that the description is justifiable with or without the atheist reference.

Re: Full descriptions for the panels that caused offense icecreamempress June 10 2010, 00:37:19 UTC

Wow, ugh. "The institutionalized fears of our ancestors"? Really?

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