Yeah, having finally caught up, I agree with a lot of your comments. I didn't have a problem with the virus, though--I didn't hear them say it was the flu virus, just that it was *a* virus, so I assumed it was something like sarin gas.
The thing that bugged me was that Jack has been brave to the point of foolhardiness for three seasons--and why not, when you can't die?--and at the end of this he just runs away. Why? Because he can't face his daughter for killing her son? He's done far worse to many, many people. And this time at least he felt bad about it, which is some character growth, though not much. So yeah, it definitely felt like a "you can't have my toys!" fit from RTD.
I loved Alice! And Lois was great. If they want to bring back Torchwood by having Gwen recruit the two of them and the hardcore military chick, I'd be all for that. It'd be like Charlie's Angels in the Whoverse!
Jack running away at the end was one of the few things that made sense to me. Cause his character arc through three series has been more and more towards cold, distanced pragmatism. Killing his own grandson for the good of the planet is the epitome of that. As I said, he doesn't seem to have a great emotional attachment to the kid in the first place. But if I could give the character more credit than the show does, I think it would be that action that wakes him up to the fact that he has become capable of anything in the name of the greater good. And he does not want to be someone capable of that, however necessary
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See, I don't buy it. They showed in the flashbacks that he was willing to kill kids in the sixties, and you've already pointed out several other instances where he'll sacrifice people for the greater good, so this doesn't feel like an increase--if anything, he showed more remorse this time. But if he's gotten cold, why would he care enough to run away? If he doesn't care, he can stay and get the job done and be even more effective.
You're not a Gwen fan, eh? I suspect I knew that. :) But Gwen, Alice, Lois, and the hardcore chick? Come on! Jendaby would of course prefer that it was Tosh instead of Gwen, and I admit that would have been cool, but I'd settle for the above quartet.
This is, of course, almost exactly like me saying while watching Dollhouse, "I'd watch the show where Sierra and November were those bad-ass wisecracking bounty hunters."
She was tolerable in this one, partly because both Ianto and Jack took her down a peg. But in the past, when she's been a hypocritical ass and still treated like the sweetheart of the show...can't stand her.
Leaving just her with Jack is some sort of fandom worst case scenario.
Also, the joke would be funnier if I'd ever seen Dollhouse.
No joke, actually--just a scene in one of the last eps where those two characters are imprinted with those personalities, and even though we only see them like that for about ten seconds I turned to jendaby and said "I'd watch *that* show!"
I have to say, RTD did better by women in this chapter than he's ever done. Lois, the military chick, Frobisher's secretary, and even Frobisher's eldest daughter got major props from me. (The daughter, when she was told by her mom, "no, you get to stay right here, thankyousomuch," went "Why am I different?" I like that she, unlike so many others, thought about it and saw that something was seriously wrong. Poor thing.)
I agree, he did a good job with the female characters this time. And I thought both Ianto and Reese were handled well. It was really just Jack who was a problem.
But what a team that would be! Gwen, with her cop training but soft spot for, well, everybody; Lois, smart and organized and naive; Alice, trained in espionage since birth; and the military chick, a master at tactics and violence. I think if they don't do this themselves for Torchwood Season Four we should take over the studio and do it ourselves. :)
The thing that bugged me was that Jack has been brave to the point of foolhardiness for three seasons--and why not, when you can't die?--and at the end of this he just runs away. Why? Because he can't face his daughter for killing her son? He's done far worse to many, many people. And this time at least he felt bad about it, which is some character growth, though not much. So yeah, it definitely felt like a "you can't have my toys!" fit from RTD.
I loved Alice! And Lois was great. If they want to bring back Torchwood by having Gwen recruit the two of them and the hardcore military chick, I'd be all for that. It'd be like Charlie's Angels in the Whoverse!
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But Gwen, Alice, Lois, and the hardcore chick? Come on!
Jendaby would of course prefer that it was Tosh instead of Gwen, and I admit that would have been cool, but I'd settle for the above quartet.
This is, of course, almost exactly like me saying while watching Dollhouse, "I'd watch the show where Sierra and November were those bad-ass wisecracking bounty hunters."
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Leaving just her with Jack is some sort of fandom worst case scenario.
Also, the joke would be funnier if I'd ever seen Dollhouse.
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If they don't snap up Lois though, I'll riot.
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But what a team that would be! Gwen, with her cop training but soft spot for, well, everybody; Lois, smart and organized and naive; Alice, trained in espionage since birth; and the military chick, a master at tactics and violence. I think if they don't do this themselves for Torchwood Season Four we should take over the studio and do it ourselves. :)
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