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May 17, 2007 13:39

And the heroes cogitating continues... Forgive me for catching up with a whole season of meta.

Why I hate Mohinder )

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trinityvixen May 17 2007, 18:33:14 UTC
Hooray! NO ONE LIKES MOHINDER!

Every objection you've raised I've already lamented, so it's nice that someone else suffers along with me. The last episodes with the antibodies (TO WHAT? OH MY SCIENCE!) and trying to make him seem important are just useless. It was better when there was the lie that he could identify these people and cure them.

As for his ability to get duped...yeah, that's why linaerys calls him "Mohimbo." Okay, Eden could have used her wacky pipes on him and she was a cute girl who believed his crazy theories and satisfied his very Oedipal antagonism towards his dad (she didn't have to be boning Papa Suresh; just knowing and liking him was bad enough). Eden? I buy.

But SYLAR? Even the swiss-cheesed brain that Mrs. Bennet has been left with sussed out his creep inside of a few hours. Mohinder travelled with "Zane Taylor" for three days. They shared car trip intimacy! Adjoining hotel rooms! THEY MADE EACH OTHER CAFFIENATED BEVERAGES!! You can't know how someone talks their tea and not know whether or not they like to eat

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gryphonrose May 17 2007, 18:58:10 UTC
I don't know--it depends upon whether, when you fix them their tea, you ask them "would you like some brains in that or not?" :)

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trinityvixen May 17 2007, 19:02:50 UTC
I'd like to think that I'd have some clue without having to ask that.

But really, I am no one to judge. I'm very clueless my own self. I'd probably see Sylar at the door and go, "Hi! Want to be my new best friend?" too.

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trakkie May 18 2007, 18:21:16 UTC
You would only say that because you think he's smoking hot, though. Maybe that's Mohinder's excuse?

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trinityvixen May 18 2007, 18:53:50 UTC
I think it must be. In that case, I ought to be nicer to Mohimbo 'cause it would be awfully hard to overcome that. Even with the assistance of self-preservation instinct.

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ivy03 May 18 2007, 20:15:39 UTC
Sylar? Hot??? *gag*

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ivy03 May 17 2007, 19:11:15 UTC
Eden just annoyed me in general. So happy when she died. No one with eyes that big should be trusted.

With the road trip, I was just wondering how long Sylar could keep it up. "Zane, I've found another one! *drives there* OMG! This guy had his head sawed open and his brain removed too! What are the chances that this keeps happening? ... Let's find the next person on the list. I've got a feeling this one will still have her brain."

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trinityvixen May 17 2007, 19:46:27 UTC
Yeah, Eden was annoying. Did her bit to try and redeem herself, but still stupid.

Sylar obviously didn't keep his ruse up long, since he doesn't have any other powers than the ones we saw him steal. Knowing Mohinder, it would have played exactly the way you said. I bet Zane Taylor was like super famous and shit and his death was all over the news such that Mohinder couldn't help but stumble over it 'cause otherwise I don't buy that he would ever have figured out Sylar for the killer on his own.

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ivy03 May 17 2007, 20:13:40 UTC
since he doesn't have any other powers than the ones we saw him steal.

He has a ton of powers we didn't see him steal. But I think Zane and mechanic are the only people he killed on the roadtrip.

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ivy03 May 17 2007, 20:17:21 UTC
Also, Sylar must have some warm squishy spot for Mohinder, otherwise there's no reason why he would've still been alive when Peter showed up.

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trinityvixen May 17 2007, 20:51:13 UTC
Maybe he was interrupted? Oh whatever. I won't even pretend that Mohinder isn't Sylar's BFF 'cause he totally called Mohinder when he was freaking out about exploding.

(And the powers Sylar has? We've seen him steal all of them, actually. He took the telekinesis from the nerdy guy from CSI and the ice powers were taken from someone at the crime scene where we met Matt--the corpsicle with its brain removed was Molly Walker's dad.)

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ivy03 May 18 2007, 18:00:56 UTC
I don't think we have seen Sylar take all his powers. The fact that we saw Molly's dad frozen doesn't mean that's where he acquired that ability. And he has some sort of levitation or super-speed ability we haven't seen him take. And what about the "I can slice people's skulls open by pointing my finger" power?

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trinityvixen May 18 2007, 18:56:23 UTC
The levitation or speed I think is really just telekinesis, which is also how he does the skull-splitting. He just refined telekinesis to be an invisible weapon, forklift, whatever. It's like he's the Green Lantern only his ring powers are invisible. Also, he has no ring.

But you've got me on the Walker thing. It's possible that that's not where he got the ice powers. Otherwise, the show's been pretty good about not letting him develop powers out of nowhere that we wouldn't understand how he'd gotten them.

Except for the one that lets him rise from the dead, apparently, because the doctor at Bennet's organization definitely had a corpse on his hands (and, presuming he was a competant enough doctor--he was trusted with Sylar's containment and life, so I assume he was--he would be able to tell the difference if Sylar weren't actually dead).

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ivy03 May 18 2007, 20:17:21 UTC
I'm going to fight you on this statement that levitation and telekinesis are the same power. In certain stupid Marvel comics they are, but not always.

Think of it this way. TK is moving a chair. Flying is moving a chair you're sitting in. The two don't necessarily go together. Besides, Nathan can fly, yet has no intimation of TK abilities.

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trinityvixen May 18 2007, 20:55:27 UTC
But that's not equivalent. It's like a "all horses are mammals, but not all mammals are horses" kind of logic argument. All telekinetics should be able to fly. They only have to lift themselves as if they were any other object. In fact, since they are themselves, it should be pretty easy to get an idea of how to move the object.

Flight--pure flight--on its own is something else. So, all telekinetics should be able to fly, but not all fliers are telekinetic. And I don't just base that on Marvel. It's true of the telekinetic in The 4400, too. Besides, Nathan might not be levitating. Levitating is what telekinetics can do. He can also speed up or slow down, implying that he has (oh God help me) thrust to his lift off. If he can sonic boom, he ain't just levitatin'.

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ivy03 May 18 2007, 21:48:45 UTC
Nope, not buying that levitation is a necessary consequence of telekinesis. It's one that's easy to justify within the rules of the world, but I don't think TK inherently implies levitation unless we've been told it does, which we haven't.

Again--you can pick up objects, like a pencil. So by your logic, you should be able to pick yourself up just as easily, so you should be able to levitate as long as you had a good grip on yourself.

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