Anti-Semitic cartoons by Swedish cartoonist

Sep 19, 2004 15:06

Here are some rough anti-Semitic cartoons by Swedish cartoonist Hans Lindström who is working for the most popular Swedish morning paper, the “independent liberal” Dagens Nyheter. The anti-Israeli hatred watchdog Honest Reporting wrote about one of the Lindström’s cartoons in the communiqué “Sad Situation in Sweden”. However, on the Lindsrtöm’s ownRead more... )

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orbar September 19 2004, 13:11:32 UTC
the second is directed at you I guess...

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dvasserman September 19 2004, 13:43:57 UTC
I guess you belive that I shoot journalists just because they mention the Palestinians.

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orbar September 19 2004, 13:52:21 UTC
no of course not, I believe that you tend to shout anti-semite on every one that criticize Israel and her actions, thus making this term cheap. cartoons tend to take things to the extreme - that is their nature, and except, maybe, the one that shows sharon as the grim ripper, the other cartoons are simply not anti-semite.
the grim ripper one went in my opinion over the limit though I must admit that in moments of anger my feelings toward sharon come close to that.

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dvasserman September 19 2004, 14:09:06 UTC
1). Generalization:
All cartoons are point on entire Jewish nation. Why the man on skis as the religious head cup? What does the menorah doing on the picture with Sharon? Why the all Jews, simonizing all layers of the Israeli society are shooting the journalist all together?

2). Blood libel:
All Israelis on the pictures are blood-thirsty bustards. They deliberately target civilians, massacre innocent people, killing a Palestinian girl in the window and so on. The hunting of the terrorists and the suicide bombers (never mentioned on the cartoons) transformed in the Lindström world to the genocide on innocent civilians. This is a classical accusations in the Nazi and Arab states propaganda: Jews killing non-Jews just for pleasure. Search for “Blood libel” so you’ll found a lot.

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doc_neuro September 19 2004, 20:36:45 UTC
you are overanalyzing. i dont believe these cartoons are accurate, I think they are disgusting and very maliciously anti israeli, but there is nothing anti semitic about them. its people like you who give us the stereotype found in the second cartoon. reactionary fools calling any criticism of israel anti semitic. it pays to hold your tongue and not pounce on every criticism as anti semitic.

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dvasserman September 19 2004, 21:13:20 UTC
1) Doesn’t Lindström generalizing abut Jews (by using the religious symbols) and Israelis (by portraying them together shooting a journalist for mentioning the Palestinians)?
2) Doesn’t he putting a blood libel by portraying irrational evil Jews killing and torturing just for pleasure
3) Doesn’t he dehumanizing Israelis?

Isn’t all above anti-Semitism?

Saying (in the second picture) that “Jews call for anti-Semites everyone who mentions the Palestinians” doesn’t make an excuse for being anti-Semite.

By the way, Lindström is also publishing his cartoons in the leftist paper FiB/Kultufront. This paper is known in Sweden for actively promoting Rober Faurisson’s Holocaust denials on 80-th.

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dimrub September 19 2004, 21:25:18 UTC
Speaking of Holocaust, these caricatures bear a close resemblance to the ones published in Germany during the 30s. I believe one could actually put them one beside the other, in pairs, and it will become crystall clear that Lindström is as antisemite as Nazis were (that is, unless the opponents deny the existance of antisemitism in the Nazist Germany).

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orbar September 19 2004, 22:16:42 UTC
you'll notice that the only two characters not painted like that is the girl and sharon the grim reaper, which means the other non-jewish characters are painted in the same way - it's the painting style (which I don't like by the way).
as I said before calling every anti israeli cartoon/article anti-semite only cheapen the term, this goes double for holocaust references.

I'm not saying I like those cartoons or agree with all their content (some-yes most-not), but we need to get things in the right proposition.

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elkobim September 20 2004, 00:05:10 UTC
The "Betlehem outlook" isn't antisemitic. It's just very, very sad. The rest of them are.

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dvasserman September 20 2004, 08:03:12 UTC
Regarding, Bethlehem Outlook, I think it would be useful to ask what is the message of the cartoon.
I’d say it like this:

”If an Israeli soldier sees a harmless small Palestinian girl, he shoots her right in her face.”

Am I wrong? It still sounds like an “old good” blood libel.

Of course, there’s no evil Israeli soldier in the picture. But European 2000 years old demonology will do the rest of the job.

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elkobim September 27 2004, 00:35:30 UTC
It only becomes blood libel when you make Israeli and Jew synonyms, thus making the claims in the other cartoons that any comment on Israel is considered anti-Semitic more truthful than they should be. Otherwise, it is a comment on Israel's actions in the conflict. Is it wrong? Is it anti-Israel? Sure, but that doesn't make it anti-Semitic.

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Can you tell me that? franco_se November 21 2007, 17:32:43 UTC
In what way is it dehumanization of a whole nation and portraying all Israelis as, and I quote: "cruel killing machines without feelings"? Is it the one where people from all the layers of the Israeli society yells "anti-Semite" to the reporter you're thinking of? Because that's the only one I can think of, that would suit your description, or rather accusation ( ... )

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anonymous September 27 2004, 15:00:10 UTC
Jag gillar teckningarna
De sätter fingret på en av de största orättvisorna i världen just nu. Alltså den brutala och olagliga ockupationspolitiken på Ghaza och Västbanken. Den israeliska statsterrorismen får vid en jämförelse det avskaffade sydafrikanska apartheidsystemet att framstå som rena söndagsskolan.
Jag är övertygad om att den olösta Palestina-konflikten i sig utgör grogrund för det mesta av dagens internationella terrorism.

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anonymous October 5 2004, 16:38:09 UTC
klart att du gillar dem, du är ju nazist, siege heil på dig din gamle taliban.

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here we go again... franco_se November 21 2007, 21:45:40 UTC
Har du inget vettigt o säga så håll käften. Ge dig inte in i debatten om de enda du har å säga e "nazist" lr "din gamle taliban"(eh va? smart kommentar...) till de som kommer med kritik till Israel. Öppna inte din fula ursäkt till käft på den här sidan mer om du inte kommer på nåt vettigt å säga.

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Time to translate the Swedish anonymous October 17 2004, 12:36:56 UTC
The above poster, wrote in Swedish.

"I like the illustrations
The put the finger on the spot on one of the largest injustices in the world right now. The brutal and illegal occupation politics in Ghaza and the Westbank. The Israeli state terror when compared with the abolished southafrican apartheid system look like the pure sunday school. Am convinced that the unsolved Palestinian conflict in itself makes a breeding ground for most of todays international terrorism

...Just a regular Swedish opinion, notice how it somehow is Israels fault that international terrorism exists today. has of course nothing, nothing at all, to do with the plain old European way of blame the Jews for every bird fallen from the sky....

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kingofbongo October 31 2005, 01:35:35 UTC
if you want to sit there and pretend that the israelis have no fault in this conflict, then don't expect to be taken seriously.

after hundreds of resolutions condemning israeli actions, you still want to play the victim.

both sides have done acts which are inexcusable and wrong. however, it should be accepted that the ball is in israel's court. if israel wanted a fair and just peace then they'd:

- stop increasing the illegal settlements
- they'd stop stealing water from the palestinians
- they'd stop building an illegal wall which seperates palestinian villages, towns and cities from eachother and stop systematically stealing more of the arab lands
- they'd stop with the assassinations of the militant groups to not provoke them into wanting to retaliate and act in desperate and disgusting ways like blowing themselves up.

what is wrong with this world today? it's tribalism. it's not admitting that "your side" is fucking up. denial is a major problem in the middle east at the moment.

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re:kingofbongo franco_se November 21 2007, 18:07:32 UTC
Exactly, it is pathetic ( ... )

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