I am not sure if you are still in fandom but I felt like commenting on this. But when I read about size kink I am like come on if I only read the bottom!Jensen fics and believe then I would've never known Jensen is 6'1. What I meant to say is both of them are tall and masculine but the bottom!Jensen fics treat him like a virgin flower/damsel in distress which I find unrealistic. and half of the bottom !Jensen fics explain in detail Jared's masculinity, height, strength, muscles while forgetting that Jensen is still there. Then I remember real life facts like Jensen can outrun everyone in the crew, likes doing his stunts and athletic and cannot continue reading. For me the personality of a person dictates there roles in life and Jensen never strikes me as submissive. In fact I have always felt that he likes to control/plan his life and that's is not compensating. We can agree that neither of us are experts in gay sex and dynamics but it irritates me when an author makes a character just because they are shorter disregarding all other characteristics. I don't think its required for Jared to be disempowered to become the bottom in their relationship as it is just natural for them to follow the dynamics based on their personalities. In the con videos i see Jensen taking care of Jared and not vice/versa. Okay now i am laughing because i am talking about a hypothetical relationship based on some of the glimpses we had in the lives of these people. It sounds absurd but i think my take on this shows more about my outlook on the world. So if you are still in fandom would like to hear from you.
I haven't actively engaged in the SPN fandom since S6, I do still read a bit of SPN RPS though under my energytouchwalking delicious tag.
As to fics regarding Jensen's masculinity, I have read tons of bottom Jensen and it's rare for me to see Jensen being changed a great deal or taken out of context solely for the point of him bottoming. Even in kink fills I feel his general personality/persona stays true to what he is known in fandom as. That said some of my favorite stories in fandom have Jensen incredibly normal and masculinized as a figure. Reinvent Love by mournthewicked, makeittakeit's Screw You We're From Texas, fleshflutter and tebtosca's works all offer a finer point of definition in terms of the kind of bottom Jensen I usually end up enjoying and reading. There he isn't one dimensional as a virgin or an ingenuish figure.
Overall, I think reading a shy Jensen is definitely plausible given the person that Jensen is. Is it an extrapolation for fiction? Yes, but I definitely do believe that Jensen is shy and so that aspect of his character is being utilized. Jensen is much more likely to go with the flow, sit back and let others speak before he does. He is very reclusive and introverted in that matter, which leads to the belief of a more submissive personality and less dominating figure for stories. More than that Jensen also gets really nervous and it's been said that it's really bad for him at times to be in crowds(especially at Conventions also in parties like his stuttered speech at the People's Choice Awards)again that ends up standing against him as an imposing figure for kink fills, sexual stories, alpha/beta/omega stories, non-con stories and dom/sub stories.
Like I said before a lot of the time when I read bottom Jensen there is no question in particular if Jensen is masculine or is able to do things so him jogging, doing stunts, etc. isn't really a qualm in those aspects. He can still be who he is and bottom without it being a hindrance or needing an explanation in a story.
However usually when Jared/Sam ends up bottoming it's in reference to a power dynamic. Again it seems like with most authors when they have an adult Jared bottom, they feel they need to disempower this 6 and a half foot male who can bench press upwards of 300 lbs - which is why I can't bring myself to read it. It's not Jared that's being written at that point. Jared becomes shy, he loses his talkative and extraverted nature, he becomes sullen, less friendly, he loses his physiological musculature, he becomes shorter, his character is diminished in some way and his vibrancy as a personality is muted for him to become submissive and meek. Usually so Jensen can top him. So in the end you have a Jared that is sick, injured, weak or ends up subjugated in some way through a power dynamic like slavery or he becomes de-aged, etc. All in order to get Jared to bottom, and at that point I think that you've already lost the character.
I think we converge on the idea that personalities mesh well with the portrayal of the characters, and I guess for me I can't imagine this out going guy who has a lot of leadership qualities, is incredibly assertive and out-going, active as a needy submissive bottom. Jared just leads Jensen in so many things when we see them together. Jared is the one who takes the lead in con talks, Jensen moved under Jared's roof for years, Jared initiates their relationship and consistently takes the first step in a lot of big things, while Jensen just shyly smiles from the sidelines and blushes or he waits for Jared to take action and approach him. When Jensen is the one who gets bogged down by a hard scene it's Jared who is the one who cheers him up, that kind of proactive nature -- that kind of push seems toppy and dominant to me.
I do agree that Jensen is a care taker, which kind of reinforces my ideology of if this were ever to happen their roles would be top Jared/bottom Jensen. Even with their children, you have Jared's first born being a boy, and Jensen's first born being a girl. Not that this is hardcore evidence but I just think this leans a certain way and fandom has latched onto these ideologies.
Of course Jared's size!kink is going to be a factor here as well for some authors.
For me the personality of a person dictates there roles in life and Jensen never strikes me as submissive. In fact I have always felt that he likes to control/plan his life and that's is not compensating. We can agree that neither of us are experts in gay sex and dynamics but it irritates me when an author makes a character just because they are shorter disregarding all other characteristics. I don't think its required for Jared to be disempowered to become the bottom in their relationship as it is just natural for them to follow the dynamics based on their personalities. In the con videos i see Jensen taking care of Jared and not vice/versa.
Okay now i am laughing because i am talking about a hypothetical relationship based on some of the glimpses we had in the lives of these people. It sounds absurd but i think my take on this shows more about my outlook on the world. So if you are still in fandom would like to hear from you.
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I haven't actively engaged in the SPN fandom since S6, I do still read a bit of SPN RPS though under my energytouchwalking delicious tag.
As to fics regarding Jensen's masculinity, I have read tons of bottom Jensen and it's rare for me to see Jensen being changed a great deal or taken out of context solely for the point of him bottoming. Even in kink fills I feel his general personality/persona stays true to what he is known in fandom as. That said some of my favorite stories in fandom have Jensen incredibly normal and masculinized as a figure. Reinvent Love by mournthewicked, makeittakeit's Screw You We're From Texas, fleshflutter and tebtosca's works all offer a finer point of definition in terms of the kind of bottom Jensen I usually end up enjoying and reading. There he isn't one dimensional as a virgin or an ingenuish figure.
Overall, I think reading a shy Jensen is definitely plausible given the person that Jensen is. Is it an extrapolation for fiction? Yes, but I definitely do believe that Jensen is shy and so that aspect of his character is being utilized. Jensen is much more likely to go with the flow, sit back and let others speak before he does. He is very reclusive and introverted in that matter, which leads to the belief of a more submissive personality and less dominating figure for stories. More than that Jensen also gets really nervous and it's been said that it's really bad for him at times to be in crowds(especially at Conventions also in parties like his stuttered speech at the People's Choice Awards)again that ends up standing against him as an imposing figure for kink fills, sexual stories, alpha/beta/omega stories, non-con stories and dom/sub stories.
Like I said before a lot of the time when I read bottom Jensen there is no question in particular if Jensen is masculine or is able to do things so him jogging, doing stunts, etc. isn't really a qualm in those aspects. He can still be who he is and bottom without it being a hindrance or needing an explanation in a story.
However usually when Jared/Sam ends up bottoming it's in reference to a power dynamic. Again it seems like with most authors when they have an adult Jared bottom, they feel they need to disempower this 6 and a half foot male who can bench press upwards of 300 lbs - which is why I can't bring myself to read it. It's not Jared that's being written at that point. Jared becomes shy, he loses his talkative and extraverted nature, he becomes sullen, less friendly, he loses his physiological musculature, he becomes shorter, his character is diminished in some way and his vibrancy as a personality is muted for him to become submissive and meek. Usually so Jensen can top him. So in the end you have a Jared that is sick, injured, weak or ends up subjugated in some way through a power dynamic like slavery or he becomes de-aged, etc. All in order to get Jared to bottom, and at that point I think that you've already lost the character.
I think we converge on the idea that personalities mesh well with the portrayal of the characters, and I guess for me I can't imagine this out going guy who has a lot of leadership qualities, is incredibly assertive and out-going, active as a needy submissive bottom. Jared just leads Jensen in so many things when we see them together. Jared is the one who takes the lead in con talks, Jensen moved under Jared's roof for years, Jared initiates their relationship and consistently takes the first step in a lot of big things, while Jensen just shyly smiles from the sidelines and blushes or he waits for Jared to take action and approach him. When Jensen is the one who gets bogged down by a hard scene it's Jared who is the one who cheers him up, that kind of proactive nature -- that kind of push seems toppy and dominant to me.
I do agree that Jensen is a care taker, which kind of reinforces my ideology of if this were ever to happen their roles would be top Jared/bottom Jensen. Even with their children, you have Jared's first born being a boy, and Jensen's first born being a girl. Not that this is hardcore evidence but I just think this leans a certain way and fandom has latched onto these ideologies.
Of course Jared's size!kink is going to be a factor here as well for some authors.
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