Arizona law & Memories

Jul 28, 2010 22:37


In an ideal world, there would be no crimes or violence or economical crisis, and country borders wouldn´t be neccesary.
But, as I´m sure everybody can realize, we don´t live in an ideal world.

I say this because I´m about to comment on a subject I usually avoid, both on and off line. Politics. I wouldn´t get close to that particular theme if not ( Read more... )

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misspopuri July 29 2010, 14:12:19 UTC
I am not trying to disagree with you, but I know for a fact that the Arizona Immigration Law was not discriminatory. Cops were NOT, I repeat, WERE NOT allowed to pull people over for racial purposes within the writing of the law. The law was enacted to enforce the Federal Immigration Law already on the books. Arizona had the right to protect itself, and illegal immigrants would only have gotten asked to show their papers if they were pulled over for a traffic violation like speeding or something like a drug bust.

Most Americans aren't "anti-immigrant" because we are all descendants of immigrants, but we want to be able to protect ourselves from the ones who don't want to go through the process of becoming American citizens. Other countries have tougher immigration policies than we do, they don't put up with illegal immigration in Mexico of all places. Canada and the UK have immigration policies that are just as tough.

As an American, I'm appalled that the judge decided to block the law passed by the people of the state of Arizona to be honest. Same goes for the lawsuits against Prop 8 in California, the people voted on it, and it passed. We have to quit pandering to people who wish to divide us with nonexistent discriminatory rhetoric.

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iskra_revoir July 29 2010, 18:21:59 UTC
Of course, everyone has a right to have their own opinion, and I know that this matter is probably none of my business, since I don´t even live near the border and the only immigrant I know in the USA was a brilliant teacher of mine that got a job offer in Houston and is living there legally.

While checking that legislation´s history, I noted that the the point you mention (about cops not being allowed to pull people over for racial purposes) was an amend made on the law on April 30 that I was not aware of (Blame it on all the finals I had that week, they are the reason I was so disconnected from the news). The points I mentioned are from the original writing of the law without knowing of the amends, and for that, I apologize.

But I´m not stranger to discrimination. I have been discriminated for my sex, physical appearence and even religion, and I don´t use that word lightly. And I´m still indignant over Arizona´s governor many tactless and yes, discriminatory comments, that are yet to be backed up by hard numbers and facts.
If you say that you want to defend the law by going against the law, there´s certainly something very wrong there. And if it can´t be trusted that the president of USA and it´s department of justice know their own legislation...well, then I would say that Americans have a bigger problem in their hands.

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misspopuri July 30 2010, 14:46:57 UTC
[i]And if it can´t be trusted that the president of USA and it´s department of justice know their own legislation...well, then I would say that Americans have a bigger problem in their hands.[/i]

The President doesn't even know what the Arizona law says. It is word for word what the Federal Law on immigration is, and he doesn't want to enforce that law. About the Department of Justice, I am sickened by Eric Holder for throwing out a case against the New Black Panther party because it was a black defendant who voter intimidated white people in Pennsylvania.

If you want to talk about discrimination, you should look at the discrimination against white people from certain blacks (i.e. the President himself and the DOJ). The New Black Panthers wanted to kill "cracker" babies, and they have them on audio record as saying such.

Back to the immigration law though, it may have been added as an amendment, but it was voted on as a whole. Cops would not be allowed to pull people over for the color of their skin, according to the law. Even hispanics who are in the US legally, they are in agreement with the law. 70% of Americans agree with the Arizona law because it is in the constitution that we as citizens have the right to protect ourselves from outside forces and involuntary occupation. By involuntary occupation, I mean, the residents of Arizona go on vacation and they come back to find their homes occupied by drug cartels/gangs from Mexico.

Jan Brewer isn't making discriminatory remarks when she wishes for the citizens of Arizona to be safe. The president suing Arizona for enforcing its own law is the way you should be looking at to begin with. We are dividing ourselves this way, and I'm sick of all the backlash for defending my country's citizens.

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iskra_revoir July 30 2010, 23:22:45 UTC
I´m sorry, but I think that saying that most mexican immigrants are drug mules would be like me saying that most american residents here are pedophiles just because there have been several child complaints against some of them in the past (Thomas White´s being probably the biggest case of child abuse I can remember ever being in Vallarta). Not only would that be unfair and incorrect, it would also be offensive for the vast majority of American residents who are definitely not involved in such sordid matters.

And I maintain my disapproval for discrimination, no matter if it comes from majoritary to minoritary groups or vice versa. I do take on account that, due to social and personal factors, what we perceive as discrimination may defer, but it´s NEVER a justification for any kind of violence or humiliations.

And remember, your president was voted by most americans too. And I´m a firm believer in that not because most say something is right it can´t be wrong. At the very least, it shows that there is room for improvement.

Here´s what I believe in: Respect, Tolerance, peaceful dialogue, and obedience to the laws, as expressed in Romans 13:1
Here´s what I don´t believe in: violence, discrimination, intolerance, crime.

I´m not an activist. Everything expressed here is my personal opinion. That I think it´s right doesn´t mean that I can´t be wrong or that there isn´t more to consider (and that goes for everybody with an opinion). If the governor or the president or the judge are right or not won´t affect me at all, and as long as we don´t live in a perfect world I will keep feeling sadness and pain for all the things that affect my fellow human beings that I can not change.
But as long as we can agree on what we believe and don´t believe in, I´m sure both of us will keep on being exemplar citizens that contribute to make our respective countries better.

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misspopuri August 1 2010, 04:30:28 UTC
I still maintain that there is no discrimination in the Arizona Immigration Law. No one wants to be discriminated against, that is true, but there is a fine line between saying something discriminates and something that actually discriminates against a particular group. The former is libel and slander from the news broadcasts you've watched, the latter is no where close.

Most Americans were hoodwinked by Obama and the media at large. I remember him running for the U.S. Senate in 2004. The whole Presidential campaign was lame with McCain, and then they had to go out and attack Palin at every angle they could try to latch on to. It was really a disheartening affair.

You may not want to get involved in other people's affairs, but I am not going to sit by and watch my country get ripped to shreds one state at a time. Of course, we don't live in a perfect world, but we strive to achieve the best possible world that our kids would be proud to live in some day. It's like this saying goes "do your best, leave the rest, angels do more."

America is not at its best right now, but we are still in better shape than most other countries. We have to repeal the National Healthcare Bill, appeal the block on the Arizona law, and anything else this current congress has enacted to hurt the US Economy in order for us to get back to where we were prior to all the bailouts.

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