✿ Ninety-Sixth Iris ✿ [Voice Post ]

May 13, 2009 22:47

Sir Ambrose! Blue has told me of your predicament in cleaning the palace by yourself, if you still need a pair of able hands to aid you in the task, I volunteer my own! Um... I have learned to sweep off the floor during my time of exile from Neo Verona and that makes me feel accomplished as someone born in the unnecessary luxury of the noble class. ( Read more... )

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primrosella May 14 2009, 02:43:55 UTC
I always rather wondered about that, too, honestly. And moreso now that I've been focusing on Helena's lines for the play. Her ending with Demetrius...it doesn't seem quite right, does it?

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irislover May 14 2009, 03:30:44 UTC
I must confess that I am bothered by Helena's rewarded love. I would like to see her and Demetrius as a happy couple yet I wonder how real their relationship is.

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primrosella May 14 2009, 03:35:38 UTC
It's...not, really. If it weren't for the magic, Demetrius would still love Hermia, and her own would still be unrequited. There's nothing real about that.

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irislover May 14 2009, 03:58:30 UTC
Did he love Hermia or did he only want to wed her to follow his father's wishes?

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primrosella May 14 2009, 04:05:06 UTC
Either way it's problematic, isn't it? Hermia and Lysander were willing to run away for the sake of preserving their love. If Demetrius really loved Helena, but then wanted to wed Hermia to make his father happy...well.

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irislover May 14 2009, 16:17:00 UTC
Sir Neil as provided me text which may dispute our worries, Miss Rosella! Look below!

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primrosella May 14 2009, 16:33:51 UTC
I think, in the end, it comes down to what each individual reader thinks love really means. And whether or not one thinks true love would really change so easily.

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irislover May 14 2009, 16:42:02 UTC
Maybe it is up to our interpretation, Miss Rosella, I would like to see Helena having a happy ending as her friend did.

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primrosella May 14 2009, 16:50:49 UTC
I would, too. I think, in a way, it is a happy ending...just that perhaps that ending wasn't reached quite the way I would've liked.

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irislover May 14 2009, 17:58:20 UTC
I would have liked Demetrius loved Helena without help of a magical flower, the execution of how his love was returned is what bothers me.

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primrosella May 14 2009, 19:09:07 UTC
Perhaps it was meant to make us feel that way, so the reader will question whether or not the ends really justify the means?

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irislover May 15 2009, 01:48:23 UTC
Perhaps he truly loved her. He used to, didn't him? And was smitten with Lady Hermia because of the chase she represented. Helena was denigrating herself in the beginning of the play, hopelessly persecuting him. However later on, she became a changed person who even rejected his worshipful adoration.

That would have sparked genuine interest in the real Demetrius to be rejected. Her self-respect and standing are to be admired.

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primrosella May 15 2009, 01:53:13 UTC
Ah, so you're saying Demetrius was in it for the challenge of the romantic pursuit. That could very well be...

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irislover May 15 2009, 02:03:31 UTC
That is what it seems like. Helena would not take a false love in her newfound dignity. That must have been a real attractive for a man like Demetrius.

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primrosella May 15 2009, 02:09:35 UTC
Of course, that then begs the question--did Demetrius love either of the girls, really? Or is he perhaps more in love with the act and idea of falling in love in general?

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be contrary, honest. I just think it's an interesting topic for discussion, that's all.

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irislover May 15 2009, 19:38:52 UTC
This is very fascinating to discuss, as love always is, a great exercise for our minds and hearts.

Um... I...

I believe that Demetrius did not love Helena until she rejected him and until she grew in virtue, wit and dignity. Because she became a beloved person. As Helena probably did not love Demetrius until he changed, her obsessive worship was too flawed to be love. Love would make the lovers better individuals.

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