That last scene just - well, honestly, that 'take it however you want', I'm not sure how to take it. Is he jealous that Sam is like John? Or he hates the fact that Sam is like John because Dean now believes that John was wrong?
His outward expression read completely different than how he spoke, I thought, esp. when he added on that, "take it however you want". Prior to that, it seemed like the revelation bummed him out. Just how he built up to it - "I dressed like him, acted like him, listened to his music, but I never was him. Not like you are." That's the point I thought he was gonna cry. Then Sam responded as he did and Dean's manner changed again. It seems like it's another wedge coming between them.
Though they worked together and seemed like the team of old, yet they spent way more time arguing about how to handle the situation and Adam than anything else. I was surprised there was no immediate Googling or book research or research of some kind, using the info they had available. Had they not've been at each other, they probably would've sorted it out before Sister O' Mine showed up. Sam even beat himself up for not realizing it sooner, too distracted. Same with Dean.
Oh, it's just crazy how much of a girl he is. You mentioned how his running off like he did got his ass into trouble. Isn't that how Mary got her ass into trouble in "In the Beginning"? There's just more of her qualities about him. I'm surprised he didn't take note of that when he spent time with her. Whether it was real or not. Then, like Sam with John, he's probably blind to it. Or was too put off by being named after DEANNA. LOL. That'll never be not funny.
That's exactly why I wasn't sure how to feel about that last line of Dean's. I got the same feeling as you did. At first, the way he built up to it it was one way. And then when Sam actually took it in stride and proudly, he totally turned. Or at least it seemed that way to me. Like the words 'I didn't mean it as a compliment' were playing on his tongue. Which is weird, considering just how much he did idolize John, even long after his death. I think he expected Sam to just go all 'I am not like him, this will not be my life again'. And maybe, just maybe it kills him just like it kills me to realize that Sammy lost that part of himself - that hope for something else other than the life they lead.
I agree on their arguing distracting them. Definitely if they did a bit more research and talked it out, they may have figured it out. Of course, Sam at least knew right away that the mom wasn't the mom. And he did admit that the 'eating alive people' threw him. But Dean going in and getting himself burried alive - well, that was just dumb. But he does get points for saving Sammy's ass.
LMAO, Dean being named after Deanna is right up there with him screaming like a girl at seeing a kitty in Yellow Fever.
And then when Sam actually took it in stride and proudly, he totally turned. Or at least it seemed that way to me.
That's exactly how it played to me. Like he flipped the script on him after Sam admitted he was like John. Seemed as though two things were insinuated - he realized Sam was like John and that, in his opinion, the way John actually were - in terms of his headspace, i.e. THE SPEECH - were not particularly admirable qualities or those of a person he should want to emulate. If that makes sense. Thing is, I see both sides of the argument about Adam - Sam's right and Dean's right, but ultimately that choice would've been up to the kid. That fight struck me almost like parents arguing or something.
But Dean going in and getting himself burried alive - well, that was just dumb.
Since the beginning of the show, he's been more of an immediate reaction kind of guy, though. Plus, he was so set on keeping Adam out of that life and away from being hurt. You know, like a mom. lol. ;)
I think even Dean's not sure how he feels about Sam being just like John. Except what I still can't get over is the fact that he JUST realized it. *headdesk* But that's beside the point. Dean still idolizes John, I think. But now he's more of where Sam used to be - seeing John for what he really was - a lousy father. Whereas Sam realized that withe world coming to an end, there's no room for weaknesses and no room for empathy. You gotta be ready and know how to fight.
And yes, Dean has always been like that. You're right.
That fight was totally like two parents, or two older brothers fighting. Especially the part where even though they had opposing view, they still agreed that it wasn't Adam's choice - when it really WAS. You know, if he was actually Adam.
You know, like a mom. lol. ;)
*giggles* Oh, Dean. Those jokes will never get old.
To a degree, I can understand why Dean didn't completely realize how much Sam was like John until that point. He only saw it in actions, I think. With the way Sam behaved, from not wanting to do the job in the first place, to how he operated when he eventually did the job. It's just he hasn't truly seen how Sam's changed - outside of the sneaking around with Ruby and whatnot - until the Adam debacle. He wasn't looking beyond the surface aspects until he heard that speech. Then he started to put shit together in his head and, well, he could finally admit it.
You know, if he was actually Adam.
I'm kind of disappointed it wasn't. Oh, well, probably best that's how it went. Then again, that wank was building up to be EPIC. Like the defining wank of the fandom.
*giggles* Oh, Dean. Those jokes will never get old.
Here's the thing, maybe I'm just bitter and while I still love Dean very much, I do, I don't particularly like his actions and how he's behaved this season. So, that being said, I feel like Dean hasn't made any effort at all to try and see and understand just how much Sam's changed, he didn't want to. At the same time, this is not just a current development. I mean, we all knew Sam was like John back in season 1. I know it's more evident now, but Dean's supposed to know Sam better than anybody. I mean, that's what he claims, right?
I'm so happy I stayed away from all the wank. I'm sure people were freaking out left and right. This is one of the biggest bonuses of staying spoiler free.
His outward expression read completely different than how he spoke, I thought, esp. when he added on that, "take it however you want". Prior to that, it seemed like the revelation bummed him out. Just how he built up to it - "I dressed like him, acted like him, listened to his music, but I never was him. Not like you are." That's the point I thought he was gonna cry. Then Sam responded as he did and Dean's manner changed again. It seems like it's another wedge coming between them.
Though they worked together and seemed like the team of old, yet they spent way more time arguing about how to handle the situation and Adam than anything else. I was surprised there was no immediate Googling or book research or research of some kind, using the info they had available. Had they not've been at each other, they probably would've sorted it out before Sister O' Mine showed up. Sam even beat himself up for not realizing it sooner, too distracted. Same with Dean.
Oh, it's just crazy how much of a girl he is. You mentioned how his running off like he did got his ass into trouble. Isn't that how Mary got her ass into trouble in "In the Beginning"? There's just more of her qualities about him. I'm surprised he didn't take note of that when he spent time with her. Whether it was real or not. Then, like Sam with John, he's probably blind to it. Or was too put off by being named after DEANNA. LOL. That'll never be not funny.
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I agree on their arguing distracting them. Definitely if they did a bit more research and talked it out, they may have figured it out. Of course, Sam at least knew right away that the mom wasn't the mom. And he did admit that the 'eating alive people' threw him. But Dean going in and getting himself burried alive - well, that was just dumb. But he does get points for saving Sammy's ass.
LMAO, Dean being named after Deanna is right up there with him screaming like a girl at seeing a kitty in Yellow Fever.
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That's exactly how it played to me. Like he flipped the script on him after Sam admitted he was like John. Seemed as though two things were insinuated - he realized Sam was like John and that, in his opinion, the way John actually were - in terms of his headspace, i.e. THE SPEECH - were not particularly admirable qualities or those of a person he should want to emulate. If that makes sense. Thing is, I see both sides of the argument about Adam - Sam's right and Dean's right, but ultimately that choice would've been up to the kid. That fight struck me almost like parents arguing or something.
But Dean going in and getting himself burried alive - well, that was just dumb.
Since the beginning of the show, he's been more of an immediate reaction kind of guy, though. Plus, he was so set on keeping Adam out of that life and away from being hurt. You know, like a mom. lol. ;)
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And yes, Dean has always been like that. You're right.
That fight was totally like two parents, or two older brothers fighting. Especially the part where even though they had opposing view, they still agreed that it wasn't Adam's choice - when it really WAS. You know, if he was actually Adam.
You know, like a mom. lol. ;)
*giggles* Oh, Dean. Those jokes will never get old.
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You know, if he was actually Adam.
I'm kind of disappointed it wasn't. Oh, well, probably best that's how it went. Then again, that wank was building up to be EPIC. Like the defining wank of the fandom.
*giggles* Oh, Dean. Those jokes will never get old.
And I'll never stop telling them. XD
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I'm so happy I stayed away from all the wank. I'm sure people were freaking out left and right. This is one of the biggest bonuses of staying spoiler free.
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