i happen to know what she's talking about and yes, i do think it's important, and no, i do not think it's trivial. do you even know what she's talking about? i don't think you do. so maybe instead of advising me to investigate things you should think about doing that yourself before placing judgement.
and you choosing not to drink and being allergic to sugar is something that people who care about you should know (as i do) if it's important to you. however, i do know that you sometimes choose to drink and you sometimes choose to have sugar, so people will still offer you these things and it's up to you to choose when you have them. you're the one that decides the level of importance. if you're drinking and eating sugar, it's not going to be seen as high a priority compared to if you never did that. i don't ever drink and nobody ever offers me alcohol because they know that it's an important choice for me.
of course, you're going to think that tracey's thing is trivial because you thought mine was as well. people react to things in different ways. you might think it's trivial, but that doesn't make it any less important and that doesn't make it an excuse this time.
"and no, i do not think it's trivial" I never said you did.
"do you even know what she's talking about?" No I never claimed to... if you read the comment after yours you'd quite clearly see I asked what she was talking about.
"instead of advising me to investigate things" I didn't advise yu to investigate things at all... I made a broad general enquiry. It's just about discussion that is broader than this specific instance.
"should think about doing that yourself before placing judgement" I didn't make any judgement.
"of course, you're going to think that tracey's thing is trivial because you thought mine was as well. " I beg your pardon, what would you know at all about what I think and about any conversation I have with Tracey EVER. You don;t know a single thing about our relationship...
I really don't know what's got into you recently Chamali but you know what you can take your claws out of my back, I've always stuck up for you, I've always stood buy you and offered you my help and support but apparantly I'm a bad person now and you know what that bites the big one.
Your mad at me because at one am while I was very sick and had a commitment to drive someone else home I couldn't stop and listen to how you were offended because someone knockd back your offer to buy them a drink and then later they bought ther own. If you want to discuss that fine. If you want to be knarky at me that's fine too.
it's got nothing to do with that. that is between me and that person only. not you. not anyone else. it is irrelevant to this and i don't know why you brought it up because i'm not mad at you for it. however, you're not me, you didn't live that incident, and i've got every right to feel however i want about it. that incident is totally independent of you and of this post.
when i said that i don't think her concern trivial, i'm reassuring tracey that it's not trivial. i still believe that it is an important thing despite anything anyone else will try and tell her.
you're implying that i'm making a sweeping comment about something which i'm not, and that i need to investigate more, which i don't. you're assuming that what i said was not specific to this incident. that is a judgement in itself, is it not?
i don't claim to know about your relationship with tracey. i'm saying that you're going to think it's trivial because when i was in the exact same situation you told me that it was trivial. i didn't say i knew about your relationship at all. i just know that you thought that this same thing was trivial (at least in my case).
and by the way it's really bad form to attack me on msn and then run away before hearing anything i have to say. that's just plain rude and very childish.
"it's got nothing to do with that. that is between me and that person only. not you. not anyone else. it is irrelevant to this and i don't know why you brought it up because i'm not mad at you for it. however, you're not me, you didn't live that incident, and i've got every right to feel however i want about it. that incident is totally independent of you and of this post."
Because you've been grumpy at me ever since that night... and I know you were mad at me for leaving and you said that I didn't care about your problems.
"when i said that i don't think her concern trivial, i'm reassuring tracey that it's not trivial. i still believe that it is an important thing despite anything anyone else will try and tell her."
Fair enough. I'm not disputing that at all. I'm not sayng it is trivial... it'd be hard for me to do that when I don't know what Tracey is talking about.
"you're implying that i'm making a sweeping comment about something which i'm not, and that i need to investigate more, which i don't. you're assuming that what i said was not specific to this incident. that is a judgement in itself, is it not?"
No I am making a sweepng question on your comment "it's not silly. if it matters to you, it should be important to the people who care about you. unfortunately, i'm usually alone in my views". What I said was a broader conversational question not tied to any particular instance.
"i don't claim to know about your relationship with tracey. i'm saying that you're going to think it's trivial because when i was in the exact same situation you told me that it was trivial. i didn't say i knew about your relationship at all. i just know that you thought that this same thing was trivial (at least in my case)."
I treat all of my friends differently and every situation on a case by case basis. I have no idea what Tracey is talking about... but thanks for trying to assume I react to everyone in my life the same...
"and by the way it's really bad form to attack me on msn and then run away before hearing anything i have to say. that's just plain rude and very childish."
I didn't attack you I said thank you for making the comments if I remember correctly... I went away so I didnt say anything that I might regret because at the moment I'm a bit angry at you about the last couple of weeks... I also had to go to the post office before the ON Express was collected...
"Because you've been grumpy at me ever since that night... and I know you were mad at me for leaving and you said that I didn't care about your problems."
i've seen you maybe twice since that night and you make the assumption that if i'm grumpy it's because of you and not any other circumstances. i've got a lot going on in my life. i'm entitled to be upset by a lot of it. if i've taken it out on you, sorry. once again, you're making an assumption here that i was angry at you in the first place, and that i'm still grumpy at you for that incident when i wasn't in the first place. you're assuming you're the only person in my life that i will get angry at. isn't that a bit paranoid?
"No I am making a sweepng question on your comment "it's not silly. if it matters to you, it should be important to the people who care about you. unfortunately, i'm usually alone in my views". What I said was a broader conversational question not tied to any particular instance."
fair enough, but it did sound like a personal attack.
"I treat all of my friends differently and every situation on a case by case basis. I have no idea what Tracey is talking about... but thanks for trying to assume I react to everyone in my life the same..."
so you admit to having double standards? her case is no different from mine. why should you treat it differently? so according you, tracey is allowed to be upset by this, but when i am, i'm being trivial? how is that fair?
you did attack me, you didn't wait for a response. how am i meant to justify anything to you if you don't do that? maybe you had other things to do, but it's still bad form. you shouldn't start a conversation you can't finish.
and sorry trace, for taking up all your lj comment space.
"i've seen you maybe twice since that night and you make the assumption that if i'm grumpy it's because of you and not any other circumstances. i've got a lot going on in my life. i'm entitled to be upset by a lot of it. if i've taken it out on you, sorry. once again, you're making an assumption here that i was angry at you in the first place, and that i'm still grumpy at you for that incident when i wasn't in the first place. you're assuming you're the only person in my life that i will get angry at. isn't that a bit paranoid?"
I make no assumptions I am going on comments I have been told about that night... I didn't say you were still grumpy at me... I said I was angry at you!
"so you admit to having double standards? her case is no different from mine. why should you treat it differently? so according you, tracey is allowed to be upset by this, but when i am, i'm being trivial? how is that fair?"
So you respond to everyone in your life exactly the same way regardless of their race, gender, age, status, education and experience? And um let me repeat again for the record I DON"T EVEN KNOW WHAT TRACEY IS UPSET BY. DO YOU HERE ME?????????????????????????? I have no I dea what I think about Tracey's situation in comparrison to whatever yours was / is because I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Jesus! *Bashes head against the fucking desk*
"you did attack me, you didn't wait for a response. how am i meant to justify anything to you if you don't do that? maybe you had other things to do, but it's still bad form. you shouldn't start a conversation you can't finish."
Because at the moment your responses are just making me angry Chamali, I did it mainly to alert you to the fact that I had responded. I tried to have a broader conversation about the need for friends to agree on things and you jumped all over me...
"I make no assumptions I am going on comments I have been told about that night... I didn't say you were still grumpy at me... I said I was angry at you!"
really? that's interesting. look at the below statement also made by you: "Because you've been grumpy at me ever since that night... and I know you were mad at me for leaving and you said that I didn't care about your problems."
and maybe you should check your source's interpretation and how much they told you out of context and come and talk to me about it instead of being angry at me for it (especially since what was said was private). if you have a problem with me, i can't address it unless i know what it is. i'm not psychic. if you can't tell me, i can't do anything about it.
"So you respond to everyone in your life exactly the same way regardless of their race, gender, age, status, education and experience?"
i respond to people based on what would work best for them taking all that into regard. however, i don't dismiss someone's problem as trivial EVER. if it's important to them, it's irrelevant what i think about it. and in two cases of the exact same situation, i would never say that one was trivial when the other wasn't (i would never even say that one was trivial in the first place). perhaps you'd better go and talk to tracey and reserve your words until you actually know what's going on.
i know you're angry at me but tracey's livejournal is not the place for this. as i said, you can't expect me to do anything if you don't come and talk to me about it.
"i know you're angry at me but tracey's livejournal is not the place for this. as i said, you can't expect me to do anything if you don't come and talk to me about it"
I asked a question as a broadbased conversation starter... you jumped on me and took it as a personal attack.
I know Tracey's LJ is not the place which is why I calld her after I made my second post to apologise.
and you choosing not to drink and being allergic to sugar is something that people who care about you should know (as i do) if it's important to you. however, i do know that you sometimes choose to drink and you sometimes choose to have sugar, so people will still offer you these things and it's up to you to choose when you have them. you're the one that decides the level of importance. if you're drinking and eating sugar, it's not going to be seen as high a priority compared to if you never did that. i don't ever drink and nobody ever offers me alcohol because they know that it's an important choice for me.
of course, you're going to think that tracey's thing is trivial because you thought mine was as well. people react to things in different ways. you might think it's trivial, but that doesn't make it any less important and that doesn't make it an excuse this time.
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I never said you did.
"do you even know what she's talking about?"
No I never claimed to... if you read the comment after yours you'd quite clearly see I asked what she was talking about.
"instead of advising me to investigate things"
I didn't advise yu to investigate things at all... I made a broad general enquiry. It's just about discussion that is broader than this specific instance.
"should think about doing that yourself before placing judgement"
I didn't make any judgement.
"of course, you're going to think that tracey's thing is trivial because you thought mine was as well. "
I beg your pardon, what would you know at all about what I think and about any conversation I have with Tracey EVER. You don;t know a single thing about our relationship...
I really don't know what's got into you recently Chamali but you know what you can take your claws out of my back, I've always stuck up for you, I've always stood buy you and offered you my help and support but apparantly I'm a bad person now and you know what that bites the big one.
Your mad at me because at one am while I was very sick and had a commitment to drive someone else home I couldn't stop and listen to how you were offended because someone knockd back your offer to buy them a drink and then later they bought ther own. If you want to discuss that fine. If you want to be knarky at me that's fine too.
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when i said that i don't think her concern trivial, i'm reassuring tracey that it's not trivial. i still believe that it is an important thing despite anything anyone else will try and tell her.
you're implying that i'm making a sweeping comment about something which i'm not, and that i need to investigate more, which i don't. you're assuming that what i said was not specific to this incident. that is a judgement in itself, is it not?
i don't claim to know about your relationship with tracey. i'm saying that you're going to think it's trivial because when i was in the exact same situation you told me that it was trivial. i didn't say i knew about your relationship at all. i just know that you thought that this same thing was trivial (at least in my case).
and by the way it's really bad form to attack me on msn and then run away before hearing anything i have to say. that's just plain rude and very childish.
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Because you've been grumpy at me ever since that night... and I know you were mad at me for leaving and you said that I didn't care about your problems.
"when i said that i don't think her concern trivial, i'm reassuring tracey that it's not trivial. i still believe that it is an important thing despite anything anyone else will try and tell her."
Fair enough. I'm not disputing that at all. I'm not sayng it is trivial... it'd be hard for me to do that when I don't know what Tracey is talking about.
"you're implying that i'm making a sweeping comment about something which i'm not, and that i need to investigate more, which i don't. you're assuming that what i said was not specific to this incident. that is a judgement in itself, is it not?"
No I am making a sweepng question on your comment "it's not silly. if it matters to you, it should be important to the people who care about you. unfortunately, i'm usually alone in my views". What I said was a broader conversational question not tied to any particular instance.
"i don't claim to know about your relationship with tracey. i'm saying that you're going to think it's trivial because when i was in the exact same situation you told me that it was trivial. i didn't say i knew about your relationship at all. i just know that you thought that this same thing was trivial (at least in my case)."
I treat all of my friends differently and every situation on a case by case basis. I have no idea what Tracey is talking about... but thanks for trying to assume I react to everyone in my life the same...
"and by the way it's really bad form to attack me on msn and then run away before hearing anything i have to say. that's just plain rude and very childish."
I didn't attack you I said thank you for making the comments if I remember correctly... I went away so I didnt say anything that I might regret because at the moment I'm a bit angry at you about the last couple of weeks... I also had to go to the post office before the ON Express was collected...
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i've seen you maybe twice since that night and you make the assumption that if i'm grumpy it's because of you and not any other circumstances. i've got a lot going on in my life. i'm entitled to be upset by a lot of it. if i've taken it out on you, sorry. once again, you're making an assumption here that i was angry at you in the first place, and that i'm still grumpy at you for that incident when i wasn't in the first place. you're assuming you're the only person in my life that i will get angry at. isn't that a bit paranoid?
"No I am making a sweepng question on your comment "it's not silly. if it matters to you, it should be important to the people who care about you. unfortunately, i'm usually alone in my views". What I said was a broader conversational question not tied to any particular instance."
fair enough, but it did sound like a personal attack.
"I treat all of my friends differently and every situation on a case by case basis. I have no idea what Tracey is talking about... but thanks for trying to assume I react to everyone in my life the same..."
so you admit to having double standards? her case is no different from mine. why should you treat it differently? so according you, tracey is allowed to be upset by this, but when i am, i'm being trivial? how is that fair?
you did attack me, you didn't wait for a response. how am i meant to justify anything to you if you don't do that? maybe you had other things to do, but it's still bad form. you shouldn't start a conversation you can't finish.
and sorry trace, for taking up all your lj comment space.
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I make no assumptions I am going on comments I have been told about that night... I didn't say you were still grumpy at me... I said I was angry at you!
"so you admit to having double standards? her case is no different from mine. why should you treat it differently? so according you, tracey is allowed to be upset by this, but when i am, i'm being trivial? how is that fair?"
So you respond to everyone in your life exactly the same way regardless of their race, gender, age, status, education and experience? And um let me repeat again for the record I DON"T EVEN KNOW WHAT TRACEY IS UPSET BY. DO YOU HERE ME?????????????????????????? I have no I dea what I think about Tracey's situation in comparrison to whatever yours was / is because I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Jesus! *Bashes head against the fucking desk*
"you did attack me, you didn't wait for a response. how am i meant to justify anything to you if you don't do that? maybe you had other things to do, but it's still bad form. you shouldn't start a conversation you can't finish."
Because at the moment your responses are just making me angry Chamali, I did it mainly to alert you to the fact that I had responded. I tried to have a broader conversation about the need for friends to agree on things and you jumped all over me...
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really? that's interesting. look at the below statement also made by you:
"Because you've been grumpy at me ever since that night... and I know you were mad at me for leaving and you said that I didn't care about your problems."
and maybe you should check your source's interpretation and how much they told you out of context and come and talk to me about it instead of being angry at me for it (especially since what was said was private). if you have a problem with me, i can't address it unless i know what it is. i'm not psychic. if you can't tell me, i can't do anything about it.
"So you respond to everyone in your life exactly the same way regardless of their race, gender, age, status, education and experience?"
i respond to people based on what would work best for them taking all that into regard. however, i don't dismiss someone's problem as trivial EVER. if it's important to them, it's irrelevant what i think about it. and in two cases of the exact same situation, i would never say that one was trivial when the other wasn't (i would never even say that one was trivial in the first place). perhaps you'd better go and talk to tracey and reserve your words until you actually know what's going on.
i know you're angry at me but tracey's livejournal is not the place for this. as i said, you can't expect me to do anything if you don't come and talk to me about it.
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I asked a question as a broadbased conversation starter... you jumped on me and took it as a personal attack.
I know Tracey's LJ is not the place which is why I calld her after I made my second post to apologise.
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