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intrikate88

and we want spectacular views, if we're to stay til the morning.

Jan 02, 2010 03:33

( how i did not lose my heart to (the end of) time. spoilers duh. )

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thunderemerald January 3 2010, 06:17:31 UTC

I... *hides*

*peers out*

I loved it.

*hides again*

intrikate88 January 3 2010, 06:31:11 UTC

*attempts to lure out from hiding with cookies*

Tell me what you loved about it! I want to know because there WERE some really solid moments and I just felt like I was missing some sort of critical connection between them for it all to make sense and if I could see that maybe I wouldn't feel like I do about the mental breakdown of basically everyone. mrv3000 made some really awesome points about things coming full circle that help me have a more positive perspective but honestly, I want to keep trying to look at this from more angles to see what other ways it could work. And you generally have a good view for story strength so I respect that a lot.

thunderemerald January 3 2010, 06:48:57 UTC

Oooo this are good entry what you done linked to ( ... )

intrikate88 January 3 2010, 19:07:47 UTC

Wilf- yes, I do think you're right and it was fitting for it to be him, the sort of little person that Ten was in the habit of saving. I also think that was kind of obnoxious that Wilf knocked like that when he should have known good and well that the Doctor sure as hell didn't want to hear four beats anymore, but that's me being petty. It's the amount of raging the Doctor does that troubles me; while YES, it isn't fair, and it especially isn't fair that he's killed by the horrible irony of always doing what he thought he had to do (kind of reminding me of ninamazing's story Hour Seventeen or whatever she's titling it now, dunno if you read that) and that is all some pretty strong character arcing. But at the same time, Ten has, since he lost Rose, done several purposefully suicidal things and lived despite himself, and at this point has followed his tradition of jettisoning everyone worthwhile in his life. What kind of life has he created for himself that he's making such a goddamn racket about clinging to? I love him, but it wasn't like he ( ... )

thunderemerald January 3 2010, 21:45:39 UTC

You've got a good point about suicidal!Ten -- but what suicidal things has he done since season 3? S3 was his post-Rose healing, and it's important that he was suicidal there, because it gave him something to bounce back from. I think Martha's world-saving, combined with the Master's refusal to regenerate just to spite him holy shit, gave him some much-needed perspective -- and by the time VotD rolled around, he was back to being his epic world-saving self. He ran on pure adrenaline in that episode, like he hadn't done for a long time, and that restored him a little. He was still Sad in s4, but Donna was able to save him from himself in a way that she probably wasn't even aware of. She wasn't ALL ABOUT HIM like Martha was, but she wanted to see how wonderful the universe was -- like he wanted to show her in Runaway Bride! She reminded him of what he'd always lived for. By the end of s4, he was okay again, AND he had Rose!closure to top it off ( ... )

intrikate88 January 4 2010, 00:42:30 UTC

Well fuck me. Okay, granted, I kind of subconsciously saw Ten's arc as being sort of an emotional downward spiral from Doomsday with a plateau of reasonable altitude during Donna and a high spike when Rose returned briefly, so when it came to this it's like absolute dead bottom. But all of your points are spot-on and so I'll now proceed to associate myself with a far better-supported argument. EoT rewatch with new perspective, coming up sometime this week ( ... )

thunderemerald January 4 2010, 01:03:50 UTC

Well, ya know, watch it once with my theory in mind, and see if that works any better for you. If it doesn't, then hey, to each her own interpretation, right ( ... )

intrikate88 January 4 2010, 01:34:29 UTC

( ... )

thunderemerald January 4 2010, 01:58:10 UTC

THIS IS WHY I LOVE YOU. I will cherish this icon for all time. Or at least until it stops making me laugh. Which is at least 50 years from now ( ... )

intrikate88 January 4 2010, 03:17:20 UTC

Yeah, I saw it that way on my first and third thoughts too. It was just my second thoughts that crept up and went "Wait a second... did they just pull a then they all hooked up and therefore lived happily ever after there?" Merrrr. On the whole though I really am not displeased with how things went for each of them, and how the Doctor got to save their worlds in little ways, too, which is SO fitting. In the end, it isn't the epic world-saving that is the downfall and redemption. It's the precious personal connections that matter so much ( ... )

thunderemerald January 4 2010, 04:10:04 UTC

Ahhhh okay, I really need to watch Ashes to Ashes, and then find That Donna Fic and understand it, because yow, brainsplodey.

Eh, I always hate the "which companion is the most equal" arguments, because there's no right answer. They're ALL his equal in different ways. I'd say Donna has the most parallels (obviously! hm, were we reading each other's LJs when I posted that? who knows. I've missed millions of things too, so whatever), but Martha has the same Saving The World thing going on, and Rose has the compassion for the little people, and Jack has the burden of having lived too long, and I could go on and on and on. But yeah. The Time Lord thing. Not enough fics explore that, dammit. Though maybe after EoT, people will start! YIPPEE.

What up with your headaches, dear? Something awry with you?? :(

intrikate88 January 4 2010, 17:03:32 UTC

Yes yes yes watch Ashes to Ashes. Not only is it brilliantly interesting, it is really well directed and uses actual filmmaking technique. I know, in a tv show! A2A is the follow-up to Life on Mars, which is also incredible.

Haha exactly about the Most Equal thing. I just tend to hit 'back' when I see that sort of thing starting.

I'll probably make a personal post soon about the headaches, but yeah, this month has been tough. The Master's constant pounding in his head, Donna's memory problems and probable frustration. :P

thunderemerald January 4 2010, 19:52:20 UTC

Ooooh, no, I know what Ashes to Ashes is -- I just haven't seen it yet! And I will eventually, because hello, Gene Hunt, but JOHN SIMM ISN'T IN IT, so that took a bit of edge off the urgency. So.

Good lord, woman, are you hearing Time Lord heartbeats in your head? ::backs away slowly::

intrikate88 January 6 2010, 00:33:05 UTC

No, not Time Lord heartbeats. I don't think. Unless it's one with an arrhythmia. I feel sorry for the Master, the poor dear doesn't get nearly the variety of brain thumpings that I do.

Okay, well, there aren't really significant spoilers for A2A in my two Donna/Gene fics so far, only that there is a woman named Alex in the eighties which you probably were aware of. AND KEELEY HAWES SHOULD BE REASON FOR URGENCY, KEEEEEEEEELEY.

montycrowley January 5 2010, 22:47:51 UTC

I'm going to jump into your conversation because I was looking at your icon, and it reminded me that I wrote "SUBTLE, SUBTLE FLAMINGOS" in the disclaimer a badfic that I wrote when I was fourteen.

That was seven years ago.

RTD, WHY ARE YOU SCRAPING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE IDEA POOL, I REALLY DO TRY TO LOVE YOU.

intrikate88 January 6 2010, 00:29:49 UTC

No, no, that was me. I suppose your flamingos lurked in the dark closet of my mind and sprang out, honking, when thunderemerald started laughing at me for expecting subtlety. I'm to blame for secretly pimping you everywhere.

SHUT UP IT WAS NOT BADFIC AND I MAY HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT IT A FEW WEEKS AGO TO SHOW NINA THE FANNISH EQUIVALENT OF YOUR CUTE BUT EMBARRASSING BABY PICTURES

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