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Mar 05, 2008 21:13

I am a rabid atheist.

This puts me in one of the most distrusted minorities out there. I am among the group you are least likely to be ok with your daughter to marrying. I am also in the group that thinks its ok for people to marry whoever they want. I am in the group that thinks its wrong to allow cells to die when they could be used to heal ( Read more... )

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Re: Well I deffinetly disagree intr0spection March 7 2008, 18:04:47 UTC
I love you bug. I think you are a very intelligent person but several of your statements make you look like an uneducated ass. How many states in our country have passed constitutional amendments that forbid gay marriage? Please look it up and reply to me with a number. Do any of these states allow amendments to be made to their constitutions by a minority? How many states have specifically worded laws that define marriage as something between one man and one woman? Bug I think you have made the false assumption that what you personally observe can be applied to a larger group. The fact is you live in a state where the majority is so bigoted they passed an amendment that not only forbid gay marriage but any type of civil union too. Once again please not I don't make the "All" statement, I make the "majority" statement.

I think the reason we don't have prayer in school is because the majority can't agree on what to pray for. You've been out of school for a while but did you realize sex education now is very different from what you or I went through. DO you know why we don't have federally funded stem cell research? Sure the majority is turning on this one but what about five years ago bug? Where was the majority them. My data does not come from a fanatical few but instead from mass elections and scientifically conducted surveys.

To your final statement, I have no faith. After reading the definition of faith I personally find faith to be evil. We can debate the semantics of the word religion but if the "religion" is based in faith I consider it to be something humanity can do with out.

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Re: Well I deffinetly disagree luckavery March 7 2008, 18:54:08 UTC
Okay. Clearly we have missed what each of us is discussing. You are discussing america. I am discussing the world. I am discussing everyone. You are discussing voters. Voters in a voting system where it has been proved that things can go wrong. I am completely aware of the fact that most of the states in country do not allow gay marriage. I do know that I can think of a couple of fundamentalist (i feel like this is an important distinction to make) christians who are okay with stem cell research. One being Nancy Reagan. One being Barbara Bush.

I think it is a dangerous thing to say something like, but what about 5 years ago? Hell, what about 50 years ago? We didnt know about stem cells. 500 years ago? 5000?

I think what you arguing is not whether or not people in america (as that is apparently the group of people you have chosen to deal with) like stupid people or intelligent people. What needs to happen is that better education needs to happen for the people who do feel the way you do. Tell them to vote. Even if the vote isn't their first choice, chose the best choice. I know people who don't want to vote in the election this year because Dennis Kucinich already dropped out. Those are the same people who voted for Ralph Nader a few years ago.

The thing that organized fundamentalist christianity has going for it, which is apparently the world religion in your eyes (wait it go), is that they are radically driven to stand up for their beliefs, while a lot of the rest of the world would rather futz around on wikipedia all day telling people what's wrong with the world. If the "majority" of the people would actually vote, and possibly put more thought into their vote it would probably help.

I really feel like the only religion that is an issue here the religion of america. Which is based on a small culture of puritans who has a hard time liking themselves, much less anyone else. There is a reason why the "majority" of the rest of the world hates us.

And everyone has faith in something. You probably just dont realize it. I would like to think you at least have faith in other people. But perhaps with everything that has happened you are not even capable of that. Perhaps being an atheist is what happens when you give up faith in humanity.

The problem with atheists is that, for them, everything comes down to God.

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Re: Well I deffinetly disagree septemberannie March 8 2008, 00:59:37 UTC
for the record, i agree with all luckavery said.

good show.

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Re: Well I deffinetly disagree intr0spection March 8 2008, 21:15:05 UTC
You would :-P

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Re: Well I deffinetly disagree intr0spection March 9 2008, 00:18:32 UTC
I don't have faith in other people. I have known you to be a kind and generous person and do expect you to continue acting that way. I also won't be jumping through any windows near you if there is any glass cleaner around. I t doesn't have to do with faith it has to do with experience.

And I am sorry if we got the issue mixed up. It depends on the part of the world we are talking about. I think the intolerance represented by the Muslim world is horrible and like I said elsewhere the more religious a region is the more likely it is to be intolerant. That isn't exact but I think it is close.

As far as talking about world religions you are right, Christianity isn't the only one. Of course I never said that but since you brought it up lets talk about the whole "majority" thing again. According to the CIA world fact book over 54 percent of the world is either Christian or Muslim. So When I dispute a religion I tend to take on the biggies, the smaller religions have there problems as well but if you take out the big ones the world would be a much better place.

Your "dangerous point" is a good one for my argument. The documents used for Christianity were written thousands of years ago yet are informative documents on issues such as abortion and stem cell research. So I think it is important to talk about five years ago when we talk about stem cells and hundreds of years ago when we talk about witches. The intolerance and destructive nature of the judeo-christian religions is nothing new and unlike a lot of humanity really doesn't seem to get much better.

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