Now, I'm not saying that George Galloway isn't a fairly manipulative politician, who has, in the past, kissed up to some pretty nasty dictators... (as
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im surprised to see an all british person for once supporting the lebanese view on the conflict.
I'm British and not only do I support the Lebanese side, but so do all the people I know.
Please don't lump us all in together. The people I know are horrified at the Israeli "response", the disproportional casualty rate, media bias, american and british government hypocracy, the sale of weapons to Israel etc.
"Please don't lump us all in together. The people I know are horrified at the Israeli "response", the disproportional casualty rate, media bias, american and british government hypocracy, the sale of weapons to Israel etc."
Exactly, but that's a sign of a greater problem, really, because even though you and all of your friends want an immediate end to the conflict, followed by a fair peace -- as do I, and all of my friends -- there's a huge amount of stratification within society, and our opinions are probably minority opinions.
Even when they aren't minority opinions, however, there's no equal, fair court for the widescale broadcast of our opinions and our thoughts on the matter, and we aren't properly represented in the media.
Really, for us, the internet is the best that we've got.
The media I read initially seemed biased/a bit thick/ falling for Israeli/Bush "kill the eeevil terrorist" propoganda and missed/ignored the plans to sterilise the Litani river region. However, Israel's actions killing innocent civilians, and destroying infrastructure has been reported plentifully since then. Loads of shocking images have apparently been swamping our TV here in Britain (I don't have a TV though).
I have just marched twice with an awful lot of very angry British people, who are horrified by what is being done to innocent civilians, including several Labour MPs. We all felt that Blair is mad as a hatter, and should go now. Clearly he is totally in thrall to Bush, Murdock and the big business interests,
The majority are also convinced by what they see/read that Israel is acting totally out of proportion, and that they need to stop their attacks immediately.
wow, i seem to have completely misjudged the british people. i knew protests were going on, but thought the large majority supports Blair's affiliation to Bush's administration as it is economically more profitable to the country.
I am very happy to have been proved wrong, thk you very much for your support of the lebanese, im truly grateful. ^.^
I wouldn't say that a large majority supports Blair at all. That said, a *working* majority does -- enough for him to maintain political control.
Of course, a working majority in politics could be as minor as having about 20 percent of the public that supports you... and the Conservative Party in Britain (the second most powerful one) would also be backing Israel.
Really, many Brits feel that the Labour Party has been taken hostage by Blair, who refuses to give it back. He was supposed to step down already, and let Gordon Brown run things, but he seems determined to run the Labour Party into the ground first, and let the Conservatives come back into power.
"i hate Hezbollah and the Israeli warfare equally for this"
Understandable, but how do you feel about Hezbollah when they're killing Israeli who are on Lebanese soil?
Who is resisting the Israelis right now? Is it just Hezbollah and just Shi'a, or are other Lebanese -- Druze, Christians, etc -- who are taking up arms against them? Are ordinary civilians taking up arms, or are they under any other kind of organizational structure? And what of the Lebanese army? Where are they when their country has been invaded, because the only time I hear anything about them going south of the Litani is in order to execute on the terms of a largely Israeli-dictated peace, even though they continue to be attacked by the Israeli air force.
What do you think is going to happen there if Israel and Lebanon can't agree on terms for a UN-supported ceasefire, and Israel decides it wants to occupy South Lebanon for a longer period of time?
as long as Hezbollah fight soldiers trying to invade my country, i must admit i am very grateful. but the firing rockets AT CIVILIANS has got to stop. on both sides. even tho we're getting a lot more than they ever will
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"as long as Hezbollah fight soldiers trying to invade my country, i must admit i am very grateful. but the firing rockets AT CIVILIANS has got to stop. on both sides."
Spoken like a true patriot. I absolutely agree with you. Hezbollah have every right to resist invaders and not be viewed as terrorists while doing so, even if their idiot leaders insist upon incitement, attacking civilian targets, and have arguably violated their own religious beliefs by sanctioning terrorism in the past. It's unfair to say that all Hezbollah are terrorists. Some are patriots.
"the only ones capable of resisting Israel are thus Hezbollah, altho i must say, they have monopolized and capitalized on resisting Israel. even if sum1 else wanted to, sum other group, theyd have to either join hezbollah or 4get it."
Not a good situation, certainly.
"Israel is the one who wanted the army to take possession of the south so they'd pull out, but now that the leb gov (including hezbollah) is ready to send in troops to secure the south, suddenly the Israeli gov
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the ppl of Tyr cant leave bcoz of wt the leaflets said: any moving vehicle will be bombed, so they're trapped.
I basically agree with you, we shd resist without falling into Hezbollah's hands, but the lebanese balance is very fragile and so the gov has decided to back up hezbollah all the way now as some kind of "united" resistance, and also, i believe, in order not to trigger another civil war bcoz of parties vehemently throwing the responsibility of this at eachother and building up hatred between the lebanese. so for now, backing up hezbollah is the only way out; when it's all over it will be time for expressing differences of opinion again, but right now the words on every lebanese's lips are "united" and "resisting".
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I'm British and not only do I support the Lebanese side, but so do all the people I know.
Please don't lump us all in together. The people I know are horrified at the Israeli "response", the disproportional casualty rate, media bias, american and british government hypocracy, the sale of weapons to Israel etc.
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well, i was refering to the british government and media ive seen so far, i shdve made it more clear, excuse me.
im pleased to hear this...thk you for your support.
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Exactly, but that's a sign of a greater problem, really, because even though you and all of your friends want an immediate end to the conflict, followed by a fair peace -- as do I, and all of my friends -- there's a huge amount of stratification within society, and our opinions are probably minority opinions.
Even when they aren't minority opinions, however, there's no equal, fair court for the widescale broadcast of our opinions and our thoughts on the matter, and we aren't properly represented in the media.
Really, for us, the internet is the best that we've got.
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I have just marched twice with an awful lot of very angry British people, who are horrified by what is being done to innocent civilians, including several Labour MPs. We all felt that Blair is mad as a hatter, and should go now. Clearly he is totally in thrall to Bush, Murdock and the big business interests,
The majority are also convinced by what they see/read that Israel is acting totally out of proportion, and that they need to stop their attacks immediately.
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I am very happy to have been proved wrong, thk you very much for your support of the lebanese, im truly grateful. ^.^
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Of course, a working majority in politics could be as minor as having about 20 percent of the public that supports you... and the Conservative Party in Britain (the second most powerful one) would also be backing Israel.
Really, many Brits feel that the Labour Party has been taken hostage by Blair, who refuses to give it back. He was supposed to step down already, and let Gordon Brown run things, but he seems determined to run the Labour Party into the ground first, and let the Conservatives come back into power.
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Understandable, but how do you feel about Hezbollah when they're killing Israeli who are on Lebanese soil?
Who is resisting the Israelis right now? Is it just Hezbollah and just Shi'a, or are other Lebanese -- Druze, Christians, etc -- who are taking up arms against them? Are ordinary civilians taking up arms, or are they under any other kind of organizational structure? And what of the Lebanese army? Where are they when their country has been invaded, because the only time I hear anything about them going south of the Litani is in order to execute on the terms of a largely Israeli-dictated peace, even though they continue to be attacked by the Israeli air force.
What do you think is going to happen there if Israel and Lebanon can't agree on terms for a UN-supported ceasefire, and Israel decides it wants to occupy South Lebanon for a longer period of time?
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Spoken like a true patriot. I absolutely agree with you. Hezbollah have every right to resist invaders and not be viewed as terrorists while doing so, even if their idiot leaders insist upon incitement, attacking civilian targets, and have arguably violated their own religious beliefs by sanctioning terrorism in the past. It's unfair to say that all Hezbollah are terrorists. Some are patriots.
"the only ones capable of resisting Israel are thus Hezbollah, altho i must say, they have monopolized and capitalized on resisting Israel. even if sum1 else wanted to, sum other group, theyd have to either join hezbollah or 4get it."
Not a good situation, certainly.
"Israel is the one who wanted the army to take possession of the south so they'd pull out, but now that the leb gov (including hezbollah) is ready to send in troops to secure the south, suddenly the Israeli gov ( ... )
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I basically agree with you, we shd resist without falling into Hezbollah's hands, but the lebanese balance is very fragile and so the gov has decided to back up hezbollah all the way now as some kind of "united" resistance, and also, i believe, in order not to trigger another civil war bcoz of parties vehemently throwing the responsibility of this at eachother and building up hatred between the lebanese. so for now, backing up hezbollah is the only way out; when it's all over it will be time for expressing differences of opinion again, but right now the words on every lebanese's lips are "united" and "resisting".
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