Update: LJ *admits* they can't judge what is legal and what isn't!

[dogemperor]

In a followup to a story I've written re LJ tolerating communities promoting "Bible-based baby beating" whilst nuking fandom communities and fanart posters (original post here and mirrored on this community, update here and mirrored on Innocence Jihad here), it seems that LJ Abuse got back to me in regards to one of the missives I sent them (

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[serenanna]

::tip-toes across an obviously hot topic:: Um, please don't bite me for being a traitor to the cause or anything, but I have been conversing with the enemy, ie. Rachel. She does know about this situation since I pointed it out to her directly, but is swamped dealing with everything else this mess has created alone until they can hire more help for her. This including dealing with everything from fandom to proana, to this, and to those BBB complaints which have to be answered.

Currently, she's been trying to figure out the situation linking policy since it hit slashdot, as well as research into the proana comms and trying to find a response with help from real support groups and medical professionals. If you want to help her, and actually maybe get the ball rolling on something being done, e-mail her links of what's the most damning things within the comms in question of where they break the TOS into actual child abuse and whatever information you got.

You may not get a response right away, but she is listening and absorbing it all. The feeling I get from talking to her is that she genuinely does want to do the right thing, but needs evidence to figure out what exactly the right thing is and time to do it in.

Don't shoot me please, I'm just trying to help.

[ficangel]

Eh. I'll be civil to LJ employees when they come in here under the understanding that a lot of them are holdovers from Brad carrying out marching orders from a new set of bosses, but in regards to Rachel? She's been either flip or deliberately obtuse (God, I hope it's deliberate, because if she honestly cannot tell the difference between fiction and reality as is implied in the back and forth emails about child porn? Then we might as well pick up our balls, go to the new sandbox, and hope that the inevitable fireball is entertaining) too many times for me to cut her slack now. How hard would it be for her, overwhelmed or not, to email back the people asking her questions and saying, "I have so many people to talk to right now that I've had to set up a queue, you're #(X), and I'll be back as fast as I can"? Femme, the mod of PP, waited two weeks for even that much and has still not gotten substantial answers. I really can't give these guys any sympathy when their argument seems to be "the clusterfuck that we should have seen coming based upon the last time we tried this shit is proving remarkably resilient to our clean-up efforts!"

At this point, being civil, mature, and rational to the talking heads is more a matter of protecting our reputation as the opposition than it is any matter of courtesy.

[dogemperor]

Eh, you're fine--I don't bite...hard...often... :3

FWIW, the first post in the series does contain some of the most damning links, and my main concern in this is if they ARE being serious about stopping abuse of minors, they need to do it across the board.

(I'll put it like this--I would not have posted to her in such righteous anger if I didn't think it were possible for LJ Abuse to be clued in. One reason I DO post on this subject and AM so pissy about it is because I myself am a survivor of this particular subset of child abuse and know all too well its RL consequences.)