People make me want to defend Angel. Though it wouldn't really be defending Angel so much as iterating that Buffy isn't just a mindless puppet, devoid of her own wants and desires.
He's wrong quite often. It's less a yay!Angel vibe so much as a just because one doesn't like him doesn't mean everyone around him are his victims vibe.
The OP is a response to a strange meta about how Angel pressured her into everything and she only did it out of desire to feel normal. No, she did it because she *is* normal. The rightness or wrongness of said doing is another discussion.
And yeah I don't see it as Angel pressuring Buffy at all, he was certainly manipulative with her at times, but there's no indication that Buffy was pressured into anything
*I sometimes wonder if this factors into readings. It seems like many fans see her as a super-prude who has to be coerced into everything, but she's patterned differently on the show, IMO.
I really can't be bothered to search Tumblr enough to form my own opinion, but Sue tells me many of the Buffyverse fans on Tumblr are very prudish. Maybe they just want to imagine that Buffy is like them?
I don't know they're prudish or not. At least not on the whole. What I'm talking about there goes way back in fandom. It's a bit like Buffy can't cook. There is really nothing to support it, plenty to debunk it, but somewhere along the line it just became canon to many.
The meta of which I speak is fundamentally the same as anti-Spuffies use during S6 about how it was rape all season, not just Seeing Red. They just turned it around to Angel because they don't like Angel, as opposed to Spike. Basically: I don't like this, so here is why it's MORALLY, OBJECTIVELY WRONGEVILWRONG.
Yeah, I don't think that's going away any time soon.
I just had a brief look at Tumblr and have come away once again wondering how anyone can stand to be on there. It's kind of hysterical. All the time. There hardly seems to be anyone who is interested in the story as a story. It's just everyone on their particular hobbyhorses.
I come away thinking, I'm too old for this.
Didn't realise the Buffy comic was out today, btw, so didn't get an early bird look. Some sort of review later, I hope.
I didn't know a new comic was out today, either. I thought Angel came first.
It's just everyone on their particular hobbyhorses.
Oh, yes, absolutely. Bluntly, so many of them don't even seem to like the series or characters, particularly Buffy. But she's a female main character in a genre show, so she must be defended at all costs. By defended, I mean reduced to a stand-in for whatever social argument they're focused on at the time.
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He's wrong quite often. It's less a yay!Angel vibe so much as a just because one doesn't like him doesn't mean everyone around him are his victims vibe.
The OP is a response to a strange meta about how Angel pressured her into everything and she only did it out of desire to feel normal. No, she did it because she *is* normal. The rightness or wrongness of said doing is another discussion.
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And yeah I don't see it as Angel pressuring Buffy at all, he was certainly manipulative with her at times, but there's no indication that Buffy was pressured into anything
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I really can't be bothered to search Tumblr enough to form my own opinion, but Sue tells me many of the Buffyverse fans on Tumblr are very prudish. Maybe they just want to imagine that Buffy is like them?
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I don't know they're prudish or not. At least not on the whole. What I'm talking about there goes way back in fandom. It's a bit like Buffy can't cook. There is really nothing to support it, plenty to debunk it, but somewhere along the line it just became canon to many.
The meta of which I speak is fundamentally the same as anti-Spuffies use during S6 about how it was rape all season, not just Seeing Red. They just turned it around to Angel because they don't like Angel, as opposed to Spike. Basically: I don't like this, so here is why it's MORALLY, OBJECTIVELY WRONGEVILWRONG.
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Yeah, I don't think that's going away any time soon.
I just had a brief look at Tumblr and have come away once again wondering how anyone can stand to be on there. It's kind of hysterical. All the time. There hardly seems to be anyone who is interested in the story as a story. It's just everyone on their particular hobbyhorses.
I come away thinking, I'm too old for this.
Didn't realise the Buffy comic was out today, btw, so didn't get an early bird look. Some sort of review later, I hope.
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I didn't know a new comic was out today, either. I thought Angel came first.
It's just everyone on their particular hobbyhorses.
Oh, yes, absolutely. Bluntly, so many of them don't even seem to like the series or characters, particularly Buffy. But she's a female main character in a genre show, so she must be defended at all costs. By defended, I mean reduced to a stand-in for whatever social argument they're focused on at the time.
Maybe we are too old.
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More like they're too young. And by the time they realise we were right all along, we'll be too old to care, of course. ;)
Anyway, I read the issue. Enjoyed it quite a bit. :)
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Yeah, I read your review. I won't bore you with my opinion on it. I'll leave it an nah.
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Negative.
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