Especially when Buffy's pain was often dismissed as her needing to step up/get over herself, while anything with Angel and Wesley was always treated as being of the utmost gravitas
Oh, yeah. That's one of the more grating things about Buffy is that all trauma should be just gotten over because there are bigger fish to fry (like Willow having a boyfriend).
I fail to see how Buffy aged badly. Maybe S1. Mostly, I see people talk about the dialogue when they say that, but the "Buffyspeak" was toned down a lot in 4-7, which makes sense and let's not pretend Angel didn't use it too. That accompanied with "more mature". Things people can say but never have to actually supply evidence. Even the supposed shades of gray the show mentions, even though every time the characters compromise it leads to disaster.
season 2 and onwards Gunn and Wesley were able to fight demons as just regular humans,
Always bugged me.
And definitely agree about Wes. His arc seems to be angst for the sake of angst all while playing the victim. My friends abandoned me. Even on rewatch I fail to see what other outcome he expected even if his plan did work. You stole the guys kid, man.
Right! In the beginning of Bts it was presented as quite a challenge for the slayer herself to defeat even one vampire when she was fighting Luke, yet suddenly regular humans are able to take on a vampire with supernatural strength and come out on top? I suppose that both shows did always play a bit fast and loose with continuity in that respect though :P
And yeah, I think part of why I find it hard to like Wesley was because it was so clear that he saw himself as the noble and tragically wronged man. He was really milking it and wallowing in self-pity in late season 3, never mind what he *should* have been dwelling on, Angel's innocent baby being in a hell dimension because of Wesley
I suppose that both shows did always play a bit fast and loose with continuity in that respect though :P
I don't think Buffy did until Wood. Even in S6 it's shown that even the whole gang of Giles, Willow, Tara, Xander had trouble and they had Spike with them.
Especially when Buffy's pain was often dismissed as her needing to step up/get over herself, while anything with Angel and Wesley was always treated as being of the utmost gravitas
Oh, yeah. That's one of the more grating things about Buffy is that all trauma should be just gotten over because there are bigger fish to fry (like Willow having a boyfriend).
I fail to see how Buffy aged badly. Maybe S1. Mostly, I see people talk about the dialogue when they say that, but the "Buffyspeak" was toned down a lot in 4-7, which makes sense and let's not pretend Angel didn't use it too. That accompanied with "more mature". Things people can say but never have to actually supply evidence. Even the supposed shades of gray the show mentions, even though every time the characters compromise it leads to disaster.
season 2 and onwards Gunn and Wesley were able to fight demons as just regular humans,
Always bugged me.
And definitely agree about Wes. His arc seems to be angst for the sake of angst all while playing the victim. My friends abandoned me. Even on rewatch I fail to see what other outcome he expected even if his plan did work. You stole the guys kid, man.
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Right! In the beginning of Bts it was presented as quite a challenge for the slayer herself to defeat even one vampire when she was fighting Luke, yet suddenly regular humans are able to take on a vampire with supernatural strength and come out on top? I suppose that both shows did always play a bit fast and loose with continuity in that respect though :P
And yeah, I think part of why I find it hard to like Wesley was because it was so clear that he saw himself as the noble and tragically wronged man. He was really milking it and wallowing in self-pity in late season 3, never mind what he *should* have been dwelling on, Angel's innocent baby being in a hell dimension because of Wesley
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I suppose that both shows did always play a bit fast and loose with continuity in that respect though :P
I don't think Buffy did until Wood. Even in S6 it's shown that even the whole gang of Giles, Willow, Tara, Xander had trouble and they had Spike with them.
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