Comments | infernale: Soccer / Hijab

infernale

Soccer / Hijab

Jun 21, 2010 21:21

Yep. This here is one of dem serious posts. Rare as they may be, when they involve anything outside of music, I do think about other things. I think I probably don't write about other things (aside from my general woe is me *headpalm*) simply because I work with people who are of sufficient intellect that I can vent and rave and have a good old ( Read more... )

world cup, religion

Comments 19

aske June 21 2010, 14:17:42 UTC

Came across this on Facebook, you'll appreciate it:

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aske June 21 2010, 14:19:34 UTC

Whoops, made it sound like Ivory Coast are a European or South American nation...

Spewing if Italy win again, though.

RE: Hitchens article sebastianne June 22 2010, 04:11:28 UTC

I'm avoiding doing my paperwork at work, so here goes ( ... )

Re: Hitchens article PT2 sebastianne June 22 2010, 04:11:42 UTC

I think sadly the burqa has become a symbol of all the things non-Muslim people dislike about Islamic fundamentalists. And that’s because it’s an easy visual target. The real issues are religious intolerance, fundamentalist religions (Muslim varieties and others), and the various forms of sexism and misogyny that occur (which happen in our society as much as any other). Because the unequal treatment of women looks different in the Muslim religion than it does in our society it likely appears more offensive, because we have become complacent about issues like rape, sexual abuse, domestic violence, raunch culture which objectifies women, unequal pay rates, prostitution etc ( ... )

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sebastianne June 22 2010, 01:59:59 UTC

The issue of the hijab is something I've though about a fair bit given I work with a lot of Muslim clients. Initially I was all for banning it, but further information gathering and discussion with people has made me consider it from a different angle for a variety of reasons ( ... )

aske June 22 2010, 04:53:12 UTC

I know the issue of eye contact differs amongst various cultures - Japanese people tend to get quite nervous if you constantly try to make eye contact whilst talking to them. Having said that I usually don't spend most of a conversation looking at the other person's eyes anyway, but I still feel it's appropriate to take of my sunglasses for that initial "hello" or "excuse me".

What may be polite social practice to us isnt the same for everyone else.

Yes, but where do you draw the line on this concept? Despite my love of travel and foreign cultures I'm not exactly a firm believer in absolute cultural or moral relativism. :P Granted, the sunglasses thing is perhaps an odd thing to give much of a care for, but even if someone wanted to make absolutely no eye contact it's still a courtesy I appreciate... but not a big deal in the broader picture. :P

sebastianne June 22 2010, 05:07:53 UTC

RE:Yes, but where do you draw the line on this concept ( ... )

infernale June 22 2010, 14:21:09 UTC

I wasn't neccessarily advocating the outright ban of the covering, but certianly think it is a debate worth having. I realise that banning anything of that sort would not only be difficult, it would ultimately be divisive and for those that rally against our indulgent western lifestyles, meerly more proof of why we should be so dispised ( ... )

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vetch June 23 2010, 07:28:24 UTC

I haven't read the entire conversation 'cause I'm skim-reading at work times - so someone's probably already pointed it out - but I think the point that kind of gets glossed over a lot in this particular debate is that it isn't actually a religious thing - the Quran/Koran (however you spell it) simply says that women (and men) should dress modestly in society ( ... )