On MBTI again!?
Hullo, hullo and all that!
A while ago this post was created.
It was discussed that Jeeves would be INTJ as opposed to the suggested ISTJ and that Bertie is an ESFP/ENFP. Feeling like I could add to the discussion I wanted to express my opinions on the matter. This is a very very long description of the personality types and how I typed them of course its up for discussion I just figured it would be useful to some of you.
Firstly I'd like to address how I came about these personality types. Basically what I did was look all the cognitive functions and make a list based off the way each character wrote and what cognitive functions they are likely to use. Personally I think it makes more sense to work out each characters personality type this way as it's slightly more accurate then guessing from the 16 personality types blindly.
So, Jeeves... I wrote his possible cognitive functions whilst reading 'Bertie Changes his mind' as it is written from Jeeves' perspective. I decided that the cognitive functions I saw in the text were 'Ti/e,Si,Ne and Fe/i' making his possible personality types INTP,INFP,ENFP,ISTJ,ISFJ,ESTJ,ESFJ & ENTP. Obviously his cognitive functions need to be put in order of preference otherwise his personality type will be completely wrong.
I think that Jeeves' primary function is 'Ti' which stands for Introverted (or internal if you prefer) Thinking. This means that he uses 'Ti' the most easily. 'Ti' is usually used for problem solving and analysis and is often linked to wanting to understand how things work, people with this function tend to prefer to have control.
His other 'main' function is most likely 'Ne' which stands for Extroverted (or External) Intuition. 'Ne' usually involves predicting possible outcomes to a situation, noticing hidden meanings and coming to conclusions about ideas in one mass group.People with this function often like to 'shape' situations.
So far from deciding his two most used functions we can cut the list down considerably to just one personality type: INTP. Now we need to look at the other two functions and determine whether they fit Jeeves' personality. The next (Tertiary) function for the INTP is 'Si' which stands for Introverted (or Internal) Sensing. This function involves storing data and information from past experience and comparing it to current situations. The last (Inferior) function is 'Fe' which stands for Extroverted (or External) Feeling. This usually involves emphasizing with others on an emotional level, such as making decisions based on a value system concerned with peoples well being.Inferior functions are often dubbed 'aspirational' according to some it shows what people aspire to, so Jeeves aspires to be more concerned with peoples well being, who knew? (This could also show why Jeeves sometimes does things of no advantage to himself, which he usually does.)
Now let's move onto Bertie. The functions I saw when I read 'Jeeves in the Offing' were as follows: 'Fe,Si,Ti/e & Ne/i' this makes his possible personality types INTP,ENTP,ESFJ & ISFJ(Jeeves has considerably more options for some reason) So let's put these in order of use.
I think Bertie is a huge 'Fe' user, 'Fe' stands for Extroverted (or External) Feeling. As discussed earlier 'Fe' involves empathizing with people on an emotional level, and often involves 'the social graces' e.g being polite & considerate.People with this function adhere to social norms and values in order to 'keep the peace'.
His Auxiliary (or Supportive) function is likely to be 'Si' this stands for Introverted (or Internal) Sensing. As explained earlier 'Si' involves storing data from past experiences and comparing it to current situations, things such as seeing somebody who reminds us of somebody else is often thought as 'Si'.
Now we have his personality type: ESFJ as its main two functions are 'Fe' and 'Se'. The other two functions should also fit Bertie's character. The Tertiary function is 'Ne' which stands for Extroverted (or External) Intuition. This as explained earlier involves predicting possible outcomes to a situation and coming to conclusions about ideas in one mass group. The final (inferior) function is 'Ti' as discussed earlier 'Ti' involves problem solving, analysis and is often linked to wanting to understand how things work. As it is his 'aspirational' function it shows that Bertie to a certain extent aspires to be more thought driven. (Which I think is very true as far as Bertie is concerned.)
Now a quick summary about why I don't think Jeeves fits into the particular function set of INTJ, and why Bertie doesn't fit into either ESFP/ENFP.
I don't think Jeeves fits into the INTJ cognitive functions (which are Ni,Te,Fi,Se) Whilst Jeeves is obviously good at grouping ideas I think he uses 'Ne' instead of 'Ni' because 'Ne' explores all the possibilities whereas 'Ni' eliminates the possibilities, another way of putting it is that 'Ni' weighs ideas in their mind whilst 'Ne' finds people to act as sounding boards for their ideas. I think Jeeves prefers to use Bertie and his friends to react to his ideas. Next function to 'de-bunk' is 'Te'. I think Jeeves uses 'Ti' as opposed to 'Te' because 'Ti' is far more 'process-orientated' whereas 'Te' is far more 'product-orientated' put simply Jeeves prefers to solve problems that occur within his everyday life as opposed to controlling things in general. This is probably Jeeves' closet 'i' vs 'e' function. I'm not going to go into Jeeves' other two functions.
The cognitive functions for Bertie's suggested ESFP(Se,Fi,Te,Ni) or ENFP(Ne,Fi,Te,Si) don't fit him because; firstly, I think Bertie uses 'Si' and not 'Se' because 'Se' is more focused on sensing the outside environment for example a person with 'Se' has a better sense of things around them so if somebody were to make a loud noise a person with 'Se' would be more likely to react to it. Another good example of the difference is 'Si' users perceive reality through there own personal conceptions of it whereas 'Se' users perceive what things actually are. The other main conflict in the 3 personality types functions is 'Fi' or 'Fe' to put it simply 'Fe' feels for others whilst 'Fi' feels for self. Bertie is very 'Fe' as far as I am concerned because he is very empathetic and 'Fe' is more about empathy generally whilst 'Fi' reads feelings by internalizing them. Another way of putting it is that 'Fe' is easily influenced by others, so if someone was crying they'd cry too/try to comfort them; whereas 'Fi' is less influenced by others and more by moral implications so if a group of people were crying at a film a 'Fi' user would only cry if something made them cry due to their moral implications.
Wow that was an entirely too long post but hopefully I've started some points for discussion!
A while ago this post was created.
It was discussed that Jeeves would be INTJ as opposed to the suggested ISTJ and that Bertie is an ESFP/ENFP. Feeling like I could add to the discussion I wanted to express my opinions on the matter. This is a very very long description of the personality types and how I typed them of course its up for discussion I just figured it would be useful to some of you.
Firstly I'd like to address how I came about these personality types. Basically what I did was look all the cognitive functions and make a list based off the way each character wrote and what cognitive functions they are likely to use. Personally I think it makes more sense to work out each characters personality type this way as it's slightly more accurate then guessing from the 16 personality types blindly.
So, Jeeves... I wrote his possible cognitive functions whilst reading 'Bertie Changes his mind' as it is written from Jeeves' perspective. I decided that the cognitive functions I saw in the text were 'Ti/e,Si,Ne and Fe/i' making his possible personality types INTP,INFP,ENFP,ISTJ,ISFJ,ESTJ,ESFJ & ENTP. Obviously his cognitive functions need to be put in order of preference otherwise his personality type will be completely wrong.
I think that Jeeves' primary function is 'Ti' which stands for Introverted (or internal if you prefer) Thinking. This means that he uses 'Ti' the most easily. 'Ti' is usually used for problem solving and analysis and is often linked to wanting to understand how things work, people with this function tend to prefer to have control.
His other 'main' function is most likely 'Ne' which stands for Extroverted (or External) Intuition. 'Ne' usually involves predicting possible outcomes to a situation, noticing hidden meanings and coming to conclusions about ideas in one mass group.People with this function often like to 'shape' situations.
So far from deciding his two most used functions we can cut the list down considerably to just one personality type: INTP. Now we need to look at the other two functions and determine whether they fit Jeeves' personality. The next (Tertiary) function for the INTP is 'Si' which stands for Introverted (or Internal) Sensing. This function involves storing data and information from past experience and comparing it to current situations. The last (Inferior) function is 'Fe' which stands for Extroverted (or External) Feeling. This usually involves emphasizing with others on an emotional level, such as making decisions based on a value system concerned with peoples well being.Inferior functions are often dubbed 'aspirational' according to some it shows what people aspire to, so Jeeves aspires to be more concerned with peoples well being, who knew? (This could also show why Jeeves sometimes does things of no advantage to himself, which he usually does.)
Now let's move onto Bertie. The functions I saw when I read 'Jeeves in the Offing' were as follows: 'Fe,Si,Ti/e & Ne/i' this makes his possible personality types INTP,ENTP,ESFJ & ISFJ(Jeeves has considerably more options for some reason) So let's put these in order of use.
I think Bertie is a huge 'Fe' user, 'Fe' stands for Extroverted (or External) Feeling. As discussed earlier 'Fe' involves empathizing with people on an emotional level, and often involves 'the social graces' e.g being polite & considerate.People with this function adhere to social norms and values in order to 'keep the peace'.
His Auxiliary (or Supportive) function is likely to be 'Si' this stands for Introverted (or Internal) Sensing. As explained earlier 'Si' involves storing data from past experiences and comparing it to current situations, things such as seeing somebody who reminds us of somebody else is often thought as 'Si'.
Now we have his personality type: ESFJ as its main two functions are 'Fe' and 'Se'. The other two functions should also fit Bertie's character. The Tertiary function is 'Ne' which stands for Extroverted (or External) Intuition. This as explained earlier involves predicting possible outcomes to a situation and coming to conclusions about ideas in one mass group. The final (inferior) function is 'Ti' as discussed earlier 'Ti' involves problem solving, analysis and is often linked to wanting to understand how things work. As it is his 'aspirational' function it shows that Bertie to a certain extent aspires to be more thought driven. (Which I think is very true as far as Bertie is concerned.)
Now a quick summary about why I don't think Jeeves fits into the particular function set of INTJ, and why Bertie doesn't fit into either ESFP/ENFP.
I don't think Jeeves fits into the INTJ cognitive functions (which are Ni,Te,Fi,Se) Whilst Jeeves is obviously good at grouping ideas I think he uses 'Ne' instead of 'Ni' because 'Ne' explores all the possibilities whereas 'Ni' eliminates the possibilities, another way of putting it is that 'Ni' weighs ideas in their mind whilst 'Ne' finds people to act as sounding boards for their ideas. I think Jeeves prefers to use Bertie and his friends to react to his ideas. Next function to 'de-bunk' is 'Te'. I think Jeeves uses 'Ti' as opposed to 'Te' because 'Ti' is far more 'process-orientated' whereas 'Te' is far more 'product-orientated' put simply Jeeves prefers to solve problems that occur within his everyday life as opposed to controlling things in general. This is probably Jeeves' closet 'i' vs 'e' function. I'm not going to go into Jeeves' other two functions.
The cognitive functions for Bertie's suggested ESFP(Se,Fi,Te,Ni) or ENFP(Ne,Fi,Te,Si) don't fit him because; firstly, I think Bertie uses 'Si' and not 'Se' because 'Se' is more focused on sensing the outside environment for example a person with 'Se' has a better sense of things around them so if somebody were to make a loud noise a person with 'Se' would be more likely to react to it. Another good example of the difference is 'Si' users perceive reality through there own personal conceptions of it whereas 'Se' users perceive what things actually are. The other main conflict in the 3 personality types functions is 'Fi' or 'Fe' to put it simply 'Fe' feels for others whilst 'Fi' feels for self. Bertie is very 'Fe' as far as I am concerned because he is very empathetic and 'Fe' is more about empathy generally whilst 'Fi' reads feelings by internalizing them. Another way of putting it is that 'Fe' is easily influenced by others, so if someone was crying they'd cry too/try to comfort them; whereas 'Fi' is less influenced by others and more by moral implications so if a group of people were crying at a film a 'Fi' user would only cry if something made them cry due to their moral implications.
Wow that was an entirely too long post but hopefully I've started some points for discussion!