Predestination, Free Will, Honesty, and the Signifcance of Triumph

Apr 06, 2009 12:19


Spoilers through 4.18.

Predestination, Free Will, Honesty, and the Significance of Triumph

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percysowner April 6 2009, 18:12:41 UTC
Chuck wrote that Sam would give in and have sex with Lilith. The difference between this prophecy and all the others is that Sam and Dean knew about it beforehand - they had time to digest the information, plan, and talk to each other. That made all the difference: Sam tricked Lilith and tried to kill her with the knife rather than giving in and Dean was able to find a way to make her go away (at least for the time being

Also, Chuck's account completely misunderstood Sam's reason for having sex with Lilith. Chuck described it as demonic passion, but even if Sam had followed through, it had nothing to do with passion, it would have been sealing a deal. I actually believe that Sam would have acted the same way with or without warning, the only thing that would have been different would have been the Devil's Trap that Lilith easily uncovered. Otherwise, I think Sam would have tried to kill her, found her invulnerable to his powers. She would have then offered the deal, and he would have pretended to accept in order to get to the knife. The ending might have been changed, in that she would probably have killed him, but something still might have intervened to stop it.

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impulsiveanswer April 7 2009, 14:22:23 UTC
Also, Chuck's account completely misunderstood Sam's reason for having sex with Lilith

Excellent point. Chuck is human and while he may be seeing a blow-by-blow account in his visions, he's interpreting those visions through human experiences when he actually writes them down. I didn't believe that Sam would give in to Lilith either.

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