Death Takes a Holiday

Mar 13, 2009 10:35



Just a list of things I've been thinking about since the new episode last night that I need to get out of my head before family obligations take me away from internet access for the weekend.  You are now officially warned for spoilers:

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vichan March 13 2009, 20:20:54 UTC
I love the Mandroid. I have no idea why I latched onto that so hard, but it did. :3

Yes, the lie on Dean's part I was referring to was about him not remembering Hell. Aside from his usual "I'm fine, really!" lies, the only other lie we've seen on Dean's part was the S2 secret of John telling Dean he might have to kill his brother. I don't see that as a lie by omission, because he did remember and yet he flat out said "I don't remember anything." (That's what I meant by 'protecting himself.' He couldn't talk about it, but he also wanted to protect Sam from knowing what his brother is capable of... at least from his perspective.)

Fine with agreeing to disagree. (I get that a lot, actually. ^_^) But this:

Sam and Dean's codependence keep them close to each other and therefore, keep them in conflict. Dean leaving Sam would lose that conflict.
I see the separation as the conflict, much like it was in S1's Scarecrow. It is, in fact, the codependence on Sam's part that started his more recent journey with the abilities, and I believe that it is not only his abilities, but also what he is willing to do to protect Dean, that will wind up driving Dean away.

The way I see it is this: Sam already knows about Dean's faults, but, as he stated in S3, he has started to emulate Dean - up to and including the (over)dedication. I think Sam's going to make a very bad decision here in the next couple of episodes - something he believes is for the greater good, but might be a bit more than questionable. In my ideal world, Dean leaves, and realizes that the very thing that made him leave Sam is also blatantly apparent in himself. (S1 Dean: "For you or Dad, the things I'm willing to do or kill, it just... it scares me sometimes.")

That said, if a separation does happen, I don't see them keeping it up for more than a few episodes - not a whole season, by any means. Other shows have easily followed more than one group of people - the last season and current season of Lost, for example.

Also, in a writing sense, I don't see many other directions for the 'rift' storyline to go. It has to come to a head at some point. It's going to get worse before it gets better, and aside from them royally beating the crap out of each other (which they already did) or trying to kill each other (whoops, they did that, too), it has to peak. Unless we're ramping up to some severe silent treatment/'every time they speak they're yelling at each other' scenes (both of which seem fairly anticlimactic), a separation is the only direction I can really see it going.

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khakigrrl March 13 2009, 20:34:32 UTC
You make a good point for separation in the ramping up to season end sense, but I don't agree with the separation coming from a decision made by either of the boys. After all, there are more players in the coming apocalypse than them and the impending rise of Lucifer doesn't seem like a good time for navel-gazing.

What about a separation as the fallout from a bad choice, either by Sam or Dean. Not in the sense that Dean or Sam leave as a result, but in the sense of injury/coma or even something like mental breakdown/insanity or just leaving like Dean did by going into the past or fighting on another plain like both boys did in the spirit world.

Given the "coming next" clips we saw at the end of this week's ep, Sam's gonna keep using his powers and Dean's gonna keep following angels' orders...despite the warnings both of them got from Pamela and Tessa. Perhaps we'll see the fallout from those decisions as a separation caused by an outside force, not a conscious decision.

Sorry, I just can't see either boy leaving the other with everything coming to a head apocalypse-wise when their strongest motivations are to protect each other, in spite of the other.

Of course, now we're debating stuff that neither of us has any fore-knowledge or control over, but still. It's fun to guess.

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vichan March 13 2009, 20:42:52 UTC
What about a separation as the fallout from a bad choice, either by Sam or Dean. Not in the sense that Dean or Sam leave as a result, but in the sense of injury/coma or even something like mental breakdown/insanity or just leaving like Dean did by going into the past or fighting on another plain like both boys did in the spirit world.

I like that idea quite a bit, actually, especially in the light of Pamela's death. She didn't want to die, and she didn't want any part of the apocalypse. But Sam and Dean don't want any part of the apocalypse, either... and that's getting into thinky-thoughts that I don't think I can process right now. O_O

And speculation is half the reason I love fandom, especially opposing speculations... because it usually either winds up with nobody being right or everyone being right. :)

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