Crap is a load of books

Jan 29, 2010 10:17

1. If you really want to hear about it, the first thing you'll probably want to know is where I was born and what my lousy childhood was like, and how my parents were occupied and all before they had me, and all that David Copperfield kind of crap, but I don't feel like going into it, if you want to know the truth. J.D. Salinger, The Catcher in the ( Read more... )

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Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 29 2010, 10:02:34 UTC
"Still," said the Murderer, "it's nice to be safe. The way to live long and live well is to stay safe."

"I can't agree, my dear fellow," said the Molester. "Danger is what keeps us on our toes. Danger keeps us safe. The way to live a long time is to live dangerously."

"The Molester is right," I said, slightly pompously. "Negotiating danger is much safer than trying to eradicate it. No matter how hard we try, there will never be a world without danger. Better, then, to face it, and, by constant exposure, to come to know danger like a friend."

The Molester nodded. "It's safety that's truly dangerous," he said. "I hate safety. It's for sheep," he said, nodding at a passing flock.

"Are you telling me those sheep out there are in danger?" asked the Murderer. "Is there danger in numbers?"

"If there were," replied the Molester, "those sheep would be safe. No, there's safety in numbers, and that's what's so dangerous."

The Murderer looked perplexed.

"So if I introduced danger to those sheep in the form of a fox or a wolf, I would be helping keep them safe?"

"You would be doing them a great service," said the Molester.

I nodded. "You would be introducing the very essence of safety into their midst," I said.

"But if living dangerously helps you live a long time because it keeps you safe," said the Murderer, "we're back to my original proposition: that the way to live a long time is to stay safe."

"Yes," said the Molester.

"Exactly," I confirmed.

"But that's just what I started by saying," spluttered the Murderer. "And you both disagreed!"

"We only disagreed because there wasn't enough danger in your definition of safety," said the Molester.

"But I didn't offer any definition of safety at all!" the Murderer protested. "How can you disagree with a non-stated definition?"

"On the contrary," said the Molester, "how can you agree with a non-stated definition?"

The Murderer sighed.

"You clearly implied," I said, "that safety is good because it's safe. And we disagreed because we believe that safety is good because it's dangerous."

"Precisely," said the Molester. "We disagreed because we believe that danger is good because it's safe."

"But that means you're saying that safety must be good because it's safe!" said the Murderer.

"That doesn't follow at all," said the Molester.

"Quite," I agreed. "That kind of thinking is, in fact, highly dangerous."

"So it must be safe!" shouted the Murderer.

"Tickets, please!" said the ticket inspector, a pale young girl.

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Re: Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 29 2010, 10:37:56 UTC
I’ve read Click Opera for long enough to know exactly what your response would be. As you note yourself, what’s subversive to one age ceases to be so for the next, if the subversion is successful enough. The “subversion” then becomes a signifier of establishment artistic intent. The sort of thing you consider subversive about The Book Of Jokes was long ago subsumed into establishment literary/artistic discourse. How long ago was Saatchi’s Sensation exhibition? How long ago was it that Ballard published Crash, subsequently made into a Hollywood-backed movie? Didn’t Genet end up with a Légion d’honneur? I’m not saying that genuine subversion is no longer possible, although I think it’s certainly a lot more difficult than it used to be, as late capitalism has even embraced contestation as a means of innoculating itself from it. But one thing is certain, post '68 we really shouldn’t be looking for it in the hoary old tropes of sexual and violent transgression.

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Re: Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 29 2010, 10:54:36 UTC
This is what I tried to tell the critic from Le Figaro when he informed my french publisher that the paper wouldn't be reviewing the novel because he'd stopped reading at an episode of incestuous child rape. "Presumably you also stopped reading The Holy Bible when you got to the story of Lot, monsieur?"

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Re: Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 29 2010, 11:00:57 UTC
But if you're a regular reader you'll have read me on Wednesday saying that empathy and altruism are, in a sense, our society's final taboos. I intend to transgress my way to kindness, diligence and trust in the next one. It will not be easy, and it will get appalling reviews, precisely because it defies the gods of cynicism.

Wait, that's me!

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Re: Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 29 2010, 11:14:28 UTC
Well, I am a regular reader and I certainly think your quasi-structuralist position on framing is relevant here. We shouldn't be looking at what taboos haven't been broken, we should be looking at the whole notion of breaking taboos, which is all rather Freudian and last century. That's not to say that in our jaded postmodern society we've broken all the taboos. There may well be more taboos - or different taboos - to break, but is this interesting?

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Re: Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 29 2010, 11:25:40 UTC
It is interesting because it takes us to the heart of contemporary renegotiations, not just of semantics but of ethics and values and styles. This pinpointing of the emotive issues of the day is, paradoxically, what gives literature some of its longterm value. We want to know what renegotiations were going on in a given year.

New taboos are constantly being created. Robert Hughes pinned one mechanism for this -- PC -- when he said: "It used to be that you could say girl but you couldn't say fuck. Now you can say fuck but you can't say girl."

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Re: Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 29 2010, 12:05:19 UTC
I'd add that if you don't like the framing taboo / transgression, there's an alternative framing in The anxious interval which is the application to cultural history of the Freudian idea of sublimation.

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Re: Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 29 2010, 13:26:42 UTC
I do find the PC debate pretty uninteresting, whether it's people criticising PC or transgressing its principles. If grown women don't want to be called girls, I'll respect that, and not worry too much about those who don't. And then move on to something genuinely interesting.

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Re: Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 29 2010, 13:30:04 UTC
whoops, I meant "whether it's people approving PC or transgressing its principles"

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Re: Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 29 2010, 13:39:34 UTC
It's as interesting as you make it. For instance, the question of how far you turn a blind eye to disability lies behind the spectacle I'll be performing at the Volksbuehne soon, Exploding Beowulf. The song at the basis of that -- Beowulf (I Am Deformed) -- originates in the tension between equality and difference, and in PC's refusal to confront that. You may not laugh at the deformed Beowulf. You should assume he is as capable of defending Denmark as any other hero. With your "realist" hat on, though, you have to admit that he probably isn't, and that you must let equality of opportunity go by the board in this instance. I find that a very interesting scenario for a song, and an exploded song. Others may be more willing to knuckle down to the self-contradictory logic the song explodes, though.

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Re: Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 29 2010, 19:34:23 UTC
Momus thinks PC is crap, and that men should be able to address women as "sweetheart" and "darling" at staff meetings.

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Re: Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 29 2010, 21:05:44 UTC
Momus thinks PC is crap, and that men should be able to address women as "sweetheart" and "darling" at staff meetings.

You're obviously not British. We all have bad teeth, drink lots of tea, and call each other "darling" and "luv" in the sweetie shop.

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Re: Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 30 2010, 05:41:11 UTC
nice dodge. i think the point still stands, though.

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Re: Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 30 2010, 06:59:45 UTC
Yeah, Bernard Manning was always telling his viewers to read Kathy Acker novels. Come on, pay attention!

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Re: Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 29 2010, 19:30:46 UTC
Robert Hughes is a fucking square.

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Re: Conformity is the new subversion! And vice versa! imomus January 29 2010, 19:32:09 UTC
The man swings hard, and I have the scars to prove it!

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