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[lux_atomica]

I started dating a guy who is pro-life. He knows that I had an abortion with my ex's baby and despite the fact that he doesn't agree with what I did (I intend to post the story later), he respects my decision

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[boudiceaborn]

Religion is used to justify plenty of abhorrent moral stances, but that doesn't mean that every moral question has a definitive answer or that by saying that some pro-lifers may be respectable, rational people I'm being an apartheid apologist.
I'm sorry if I made you feel as if I was trying to shame or quieten the OP in any way, because that isn't my intent at all and I don't believe that women should meekly keep silent about abortion around pro-lifers just because "it's their religion."
I happen to believe that minds are more likely to be changed if pro-lifers meet women who have had abortions and learn about the woman as a whole, rather than finding out she had an abortion and dismissing her as a 'whore' or 'murderer' out of hand.
I'm feeling somewhat attacked, and I don't feel like my views are nearly radical enough to get smeared as a racism apologist. The whole "religion endorsed apartheid" argument is hyperbole. Abortion at its core is sometimes a philosophical/moral argument about when life starts - are you going to cry Bob Jones whenever someone's morality differs from your own? When someone brings up a scientific argument, do you bring up the fact that science has been used to defend the repression of homosexuals, women, and non-whites?

[eyelid]

The whole "religion endorsed apartheid" argument is hyperbole.

You said that the views of pro-lifers are moral because they stem from religion. I pointed out that racism also stemmed in some cases from religion.

Abortion at its core is sometimes a philosophical/moral argument about when life starts -

I see it as an argument about whether a woman has a right to say who can and cannot use her body. a rapist is clearly alive, yet a woman has a right to say no and defend herself with force.

are you going to cry Bob Jones whenever someone's morality differs from your own?

No, I'm just not going to use religion as an excuse to justify immoral conduct.

I happen to believe that minds are more likely to be changed if

I'm not arguing with your tactics here. I'm arguing with your statement that it is ok for a partner to want their partner to hide their abortion from partner a's parents, but not ok for partner a to want partner b to hide their race from partner a's parents. You said the former is ok because "relatively intelligent, nice people whom I respect might be pro-life based on their religious beliefs." Well, I believe that all throughout history "relatively nice, intelligent people" were/are racists, often due to religious beliefs.