and the public don't dwell on my transmission cause it wasn't televised

Dec 27, 2008 21:01

She passed away.

I'm fine, honestly. This sums it up pretty well.

Context: Old classmate that I never knew very well fell into a coma a day or two ago. Everyone put [miracle] tags infront of their MSN names. She passed away earlier today. Forgive me sounding like an asshat at points.

TL;DR: According to Kubler-Ross, I skipped to the second A in DABDA without much of the rest.

Sam says:
abbeh.
Sam says:
take that damned miracle thing off
Sam says:
for goodness sake, i think we can all imply the reason why

[TWENTY OR SO MINUTES.]

Abbeh Says:
I wasn't home goddamnit
Sam says:
yes alright alright
Abbeh Says:
But still
Abbeh Says:
I rather don't see the point of removing it.
Sam says:
i'm just used to the concept of people turning their laptops off when leaving
Sam says:
well
Sam says:
for a start
Sam says:
it's no longer relevant
Abbeh Says:
How in the hell is it offensive?
Sam says:
it's rather glaring
Abbeh Says:
to me it makes more sense to leave it on as a tribute, or at least change it to continue to pray for her
Sam says:
well
Abbeh Says:
but instead I have dipshits like Jonathan so eloquently telling me
Sam says:
leaving it on is rather redundant at this point
Abbeh Says:
"Take the miracle thing off, it's no use anymore"
Abbeh Says:
and I'm like
Abbeh Says:
"Well"
Abbeh Says:
"You must be very good at this."
Sam says:
change it to something that makes sense, at the very least
Sam says:
alright alright
Sam says:
let's settle on a replacement then
Sam says:
what would you rather have?
Abbeh Says:
I have no idea
Abbeh Says:
I'm just rather annoyed that people seem to think leaving it on is offensive
Abbeh Says:
As if hope's already lost
Abbeh Says:
and I'm supposed to be the dry, non-religious one.
Sam says:
you're doing a very bad job, i might add
Sam says:
but apparently jun yup gave me the justification of it reminding them about it
Sam says:
which is a bit of a floppy argument
Sam says:
considering that i'm not sure that they would need much of a reminder that their daughter is no longer in this plane of existence
Sam says:
in all honesty
Abbeh Says:
I don't think he means parents
Abbeh Says:
I mean reminding everyone
Sam says:
i did it to stop him from going mental
Abbeh Says:
and I'm like
Abbeh Says:
"fuck you, dipshit"
Abbeh Says:
"you want to /forget/?"
Sam says:
five stages of grief, apparently
Sam says:
you know
Sam says:
i really don't like the sulking sort of nicknames that people are putting up right now
Sam says:
i mean
Sam says:
look at this one
Abbeh Says:
Five stages of grief
Sam says:
"don't call me, i'm in no mood"
Sam says:
what?
Abbeh Says:
I appear to have skipped most of them
Sam says:
what with the not knowing her and all that?
Abbeh Says:
Psht I can only talk about this with you because
Sam says:
did you know her?
Abbeh Says:
Dude, I don't mean to be disrespectful
Abbeh Says:
but I didn't know her
Abbeh Says:
I'm mourning
Abbeh Says:
I'm sad
Abbeh Says:
and to be frank I think all of you bastards who are /pretending/ to have known her so well?
Abbeh Says:
Are more offensive than I have ever been
Abbeh Says:
idiots
Abbeh Says:
"All of you" being a subjective term
Abbeh Says:
Not including you
Sam says:
i'll be sure to pass on the message
Sam says:
wel
Sam says:
*well
Sam says:
no
Sam says:
but the point stands, actually
Sam says:
i've never really know her
Sam says:
*known
Sam says:
but the point is she's still someone that someone i knew knew
Sam says:
ow
Sam says:
and i still sent my well wishes on the basis of that
Abbeh Says:
I've skipped most of the stages of grief
Abbeh Says:
and you know went right to "A"
Sam says:
i don't think i really started it anyway
Sam says:
i just went
Sam says:
oh bugger
Sam says:
quite literally
Sam says:
and then started worrying on the basis that someone i know knew her
Sam says:
but i don't feel much grief
Sam says:
more concern for people i do know than anything else
Sam says:
and this might provoke the typical response of "someone died, why aren't you sad" and all that
Sam says:
but the thing is
Sam says:
how exactly do i start being sad?
Sam says:
i never knew her
Sam says:
and this is just news to me
Abbeh Says:
My point exactly
Sam says:
it's a bit like hearing that 32 people died in a terrible flood and all that
Abbeh Says:
the problem is I can't talk about it to... everyone
Sam says:
you're sad
Sam says:
but you can't feel actual grief
Abbeh Says:
because they're all busy going "oh god oh god oh god -cries-"
Abbeh Says:
Hah, you know I wrote about this.
Abbeh Says:
Sometime last year.
Abbeh Says:
Oneshot. Was lost when that bastard knocked down my laptop.
Abbeh Says:
Series of vignettes surrounding a fictional teenage suicde: family, friends, and several random strangers with varying degrees of familiarity.
Abbeh Says:
It's not that I don't want to spiral into depression and all that
Abbeh Says:
-- well you know what I mean
Abbeh Says:
but no matter what I say, I'm going to be lying to your face
Abbeh Says:
I don't feel /that/ sad. I never knew her. I'm sorry I never got the chance to. I can empathize. I can sympathize. I can't feel the same grief, and I'm not going to bloody well pretend I do
Sam says:
i've got to agree with you there, actually
Sam says:
i'm not concerned about how i'm going to cope
Abbeh Says:
Pretending to feels more like insult than anything
Sam says:
i'm more concerned of what i'm going to cope with, really
Sam says:
but i am actually worried about how i'm going to talk to the people who actually knew her and cared
Abbeh Says:
Yes, me too.
Sam says:
our regular conversations are pretty much the basis for this concern
Abbeh Says:
Tch
Abbeh Says:
I know it's fairly horrible of me but
Sam says:
no no
Sam says:
i'm following you here
Abbeh Says:
I can't feel sad enough because I'm busy getting pissed off at all the aforementioned "oh god my life will never be the same" people
Sam says:
honestly, the ability to console someone can only go so far
Abbeh Says:
Different train of thought
Sam says:
someone has died
Sam says:
you can reason and talk and mention the beautiful daisies in the meadows and all that but you can only do so much
Sam says:
the person in question has to get over it him/herself
Sam says:
but here's a thought
Abbeh Says:
Well that thought appears to have been lost somewhere between your mind and the keyboard
Sam says:
apparently
Sam says:
holding
Sam says:
*hold on
Sam says:
it's jammed in between the shift key and the z
Sam says:
yes
Sam says:
alright
Sam says:
kylie told me that she didn't really know her
Sam says:
and felt somewhat guilty about it
Sam says:
and for some reason
Sam says:
so did i
Abbeh Says:
We all feel guilty
Sam says:
but on reflection
Sam says:
this just invokes
Abbeh Says:
I feel guilty mostly not because of her dying
Sam says:
"wha?"
Abbeh Says:
but I'm guilty because I can't care enough
Abbeh Says:
excuse me for going on a bit of flowery exposition, here
Abbeh Says:
But life is precious and all that rot
Sam says:
i might not
Abbeh Says:
and whenever someone dies, people /should/ mourn
Sam says:
and this might be a future resource of blackmail
Sam says:
but go on
Abbeh Says:
She has her mourners, not saying she doesn't
Abbeh Says:
But I feel guilty because I can't do that for her
Sam says:
i'm using Mimic here
Sam says:
i can't say much more than
Sam says:
"i'm very sorry about what happened."
Sam says:
but for some reason
Sam says:
even that phrase seems inappropriate
Sam says:
i mean
Sam says:
she's dead, and yes, that's very horrible and all
Sam says:
but why am i apologising?
Sam says:
i think "condolences" might be the better word here
Sam says:
but it seems somewhat formal and stiff
Abbeh Says:
"I'm sorry" is the standard, rehearsed reply
Abbeh Says:
Someone's dead, there's really no "right" thing you can say
Abbeh Says:
Being there for your affected friends is enough
Abbeh Says:
but you always feel inclinded to say things anyway
Abbeh Says:
silences are nasty, uncomfortable things.
Abbeh Says:
I am talking about this with Kylie. We could have a three-way intellectual discussion free of "oh god oh god don't talk to me now im not inthe mood"
Sam says:
you ever get that feeling that these sorts of situations just tend to converge towards the same situation in dramas and the like?
Sam says:
it just seems that way
Sam says:
but yeah
Sam says:
pelase
Abbeh Says:
elaborate?
Sam says:
*please
Sam says:
invite
Sam says:
and i'll continue

[KYLIE JOINS THE CONVERSATION]

Abbeh Says:
Lo Kylie
Sam says:
and abbeh spoke unto the earth
Abbeh Says:
Welcome to the corner of "We didn't know her and we're very sorry for it 8|"
Sam says:
and there was kylie
Abbeh Says:
I feel bad for injecting humor into things.
Sam says:
no no
Sam says:
i don't
Sam says:
not at all
Abbeh Says:
Oh you're a soulless bastard
Abbeh Says:
I'm a wuss
Sam says:
mostly because that was your line and thus your fault
Sam says:
finally a point of masculinity for me here
Sam says:
let me have that point
Abbeh Says:
Ding
Sam says:
kylie appears to be condemning us with silence here
Abbeh Says:
Abby 18923, Sam 1
Kylie says:
hello
Sam says:
what those 18923 points might be
Sam says:
are best kept a secret
Abbeh Says:
Indeed
Abbeh Says:
...Yes I'm sorry I'm still terribly annoyed at everyone on my contact list.
Sam says:
yes but anyway
Sam says:
hello
Abbeh Says:
Well not anyone
Abbeh Says:
Most of them
Sam says:
we were just talking about the tendency of real life situations such as these to converge into cinematic, moving, cliched situations in dramas
Sam says:
i get that impression sometimes
Sam says:
i don't know why
Abbeh Says:
Leroy has the stages of grief wrong
Sam says:
it's possible that when we're hit with something as immense as this we just look for the appropriate response
Sam says:
ha ha ha.
Abbeh Says:
There are conditioned responses
Sam says:
oh, you silly sod.
Abbeh Says:
"Feel sad"
Abbeh Says:
"feel really goddamn sad"
Abbeh Says:
"cry"
Sam says:
have a wah.
Sam says:
exactly
Sam says:
there you go
Sam says:
"join msn convos and make fun of the whole grieving process"
Sam says:
"possibly bring griefing into it"
Abbeh Says:
That isn't that much of a conditioned response
Sam says:
it is now, apparently
Sam says:
but here's something for kylie
Sam says:
hello kylie
Kylie says:
yeah?
Abbeh Says:
We're sorry we type so fast
Sam says:
we're frustrated at the number of people who have pretended to sob and be in mourning
Sam says:
when in actual fact they never really knew her
Sam says:
well
Sam says:
not you
Kylie says:
i'm sorry i'm not really responding.
Sam says:
none of us in this convo
Abbeh Says:
S'alright
Abbeh Says:
You okay though, Kyleh
Kylie says:
yeah.
Sam says:
good to know.
Sam says:
let
Kylie says:
it's. i can't really blame those people, you know?
Sam says:
let's all have a solemn whop for a moment.
Abbeh Says:
Can't blame them, but I wish they understood what they were doing
Sam says:
well
Sam says:
it's somewhat natural
Abbeh Says:
Don't you see? They aren't mourning because they feel bad or anything
Abbeh Says:
They're mourning because they feel they should
Abbeh Says:
Whoop de doo
Sam says:
i think they're just taing the first response that they find
Sam says:
that is
Sam says:
well
Sam says:
everyone seems to be mourning
Sam says:
i suppose that's what i should do too
Sam says:
and i can't really blame them
Sam says:
i just really hate the whole concept of it
Abbeh Says:
Can't blame them
Sam says:
and the fact that they ARE doing that.
Abbeh Says:
buuut I am still pissed off at it
Sam says:
echo.
Abbeh Says:
I think it's kind of an insult.
Abbeh Says:
But they don't understand that what they're doing is insulting, and they mean well, so there's still that.
Sam says:
well
Abbeh Says:
I like how we're using "they" like it's a degratory term!
Sam says:
their good intentions have been crapped out as an insulting form of artificial mourning
Sam says:
ah
Sam says:
crude language
Kylie says:
i guess it would be insulting to the people who were close to her and knew that these people were not
Sam says:
always helping you out in metaphors that need filling
Abbeh Says:
I'm sure those people are too busy to feel insulted.
Sam says:
but the problem is
Abbeh Says:
I feel really bad for /them/.
Sam says:
if you do approach these people in artificial mourning
Kylie says:
guys, do you know when cancy's coming back to s'pore?
Abbeh Says:
31st, afternoonb
Kylie says:
i don't think she knows yet
Sam says:
afternoob?
Abbeh Says:
several ttempts have been made to call her
Abbeh Says:
Yes, after noob
Sam says:
but yeah
Sam says:
i am somewhat concerned
Sam says:
i mean
Abbeh Says:
She's progressed past the noob stages and is now a forum regular
Sam says:
it's not going to very good news
Abbeh Says:
Not at al
Kylie says:
i'm really worried how she takes it.
Sam says:
"welcome back, someone you know is deceased now"
Sam says:
not good at all.
Abbeh Says:
She's a strong girl but I really wish she'd come online
Sam says:
abbeh has assumed the role of elder sister
Sam says:
i have assumed the role of awkward bastard at this point

Conversation follows for a good long while and eventually ends with faux-British roleplaying.

EDIT:

LET'S RING IN SOME HONESTYWITH THE NEW YEAR THE MEME

Because I felt like it, IDK.

friends irl: sam, rants: grief-by-proxy, friends irl: kylie

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