Well, this is the Dalek's analysis, not mine - and after Vicki, Polly, and Jo, can you really blame it?
Of course, what it's really extrapolating is things like "good-hearted, merciful, friend to all living things, kind to small fuzzy animals and broken birds"...but then, it's a Dalek.
In any event, I did not intend to give offense (or even to hate on Rose) and I apologize for having done so.
Just because she was no longer gullible in The Stolen Earth doesn't prevent her from being gullible in Dalek.
You have to admit, she was pretty gullible and the Dalek used that to its advantage. Being all "oh woe is me, the bad man is hurting me" to lure her over to restore it. Compassionate, yes, but it still tipped over into gullible.
I love Rose to bits, but she definitely had her moments of being not so bright when first starting out *coughFather'sDaycough*.
I think that's a bit of a misinterpretation of "Dalek." Note that the Dalek in question actually never hurt anyone that wasn't shooting at it or trying to kill it - even when it first entered the room full of soldiers, it waited until it was attacked before killing them. The whole point of the episode is that absolution is possible, which was thematically mirrored by Nine looking for Rose's absolution (and being judged by her) at the end of the episode. It was never about being "gullible" - the episode was about faith, and that paid off beautifully.
Also re Father's Day - I think that's kind of harsh. She was a 19 year old human, and Nine took her back - twice - to witness the untimely death of a parent, apparently without explaining to her that things couldn't be changed, or why. Not sure that SHE was the dumb one there, just sayin'...
Well, precisely. That whole scene revolved around the Dalek knowing what she was, but her not knowing what the Dalek was. And what we might interpret as "compassionate", "kind", or "friend to all living things," the Dalek is most certainly going to interpret as "gullible".
Idk where you're getting it that the Dalek was playing her. It doesn't ask her for anything. If it had said "please touch me" or anything like that, I could see that - but it doesn't. It is lost, frightened and looking other Daleks - and when it finds out the Daleks are dead, it wants to die. This is true both at the beginning of the ep, and at the end. It's looking for absolution the whole time, and this script is the story of how two castaways (the Dalek and Nine) find this absolution.
I know it's funny to think "haha, funny, crafty Dalek playing the stupid human" but there's nothing in the whole transcript to support that interpretation. And it was clearly not RTD's intent, from the Confidential, either.
Hey transcript! Awesome! You know, it never even occurred to me to think that the Dalek might not be playing her. Huh.
For my own part, while I did think this way of looking at it was amusing (which is why I made the macro in the first place) my main reaction with that scene is always to be impressed. I like Daleks best when they're being crafty. "Power of the Daleks" and "Evil of the Daleks" are just utterly fantastic that way. And it might well be that my love of these earlier episodes is coloring my perspective on what is going on in this episode.
But I still think I disagree with you, for a couple of reasons. The Dalek does not want to die at the beginning, although it does come close to a survivor's guilt kind of thing with "why do we survive?" But it's pretty intent on surviving so that the Dalek race will continue. That is its primary motivation once it learns that no new orders are coming. And this is consistent with everything we know about Daleks. It only does observably un-Daleky things after Rose "infects" it
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Of course, what it's really extrapolating is things like "good-hearted, merciful, friend to all living things, kind to small fuzzy animals and broken birds"...but then, it's a Dalek.
In any event, I did not intend to give offense (or even to hate on Rose) and I apologize for having done so.
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You have to admit, she was pretty gullible and the Dalek used that to its advantage. Being all "oh woe is me, the bad man is hurting me" to lure her over to restore it. Compassionate, yes, but it still tipped over into gullible.
I love Rose to bits, but she definitely had her moments of being not so bright when first starting out *coughFather'sDaycough*.
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Also re Father's Day - I think that's kind of harsh. She was a 19 year old human, and Nine took her back - twice - to witness the untimely death of a parent, apparently without explaining to her that things couldn't be changed, or why. Not sure that SHE was the dumb one there, just sayin'...
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I know it's funny to think "haha, funny, crafty Dalek playing the stupid human" but there's nothing in the whole transcript to support that interpretation. And it was clearly not RTD's intent, from the Confidential, either.
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For my own part, while I did think this way of looking at it was amusing (which is why I made the macro in the first place) my main reaction with that scene is always to be impressed. I like Daleks best when they're being crafty. "Power of the Daleks" and "Evil of the Daleks" are just utterly fantastic that way. And it might well be that my love of these earlier episodes is coloring my perspective on what is going on in this episode.
But I still think I disagree with you, for a couple of reasons. The Dalek does not want to die at the beginning, although it does come close to a survivor's guilt kind of thing with "why do we survive?" But it's pretty intent on surviving so that the Dalek race will continue. That is its primary motivation once it learns that no new orders are coming. And this is consistent with everything we know about Daleks. It only does observably un-Daleky things after Rose "infects" it ( ... )
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