A "Nice Guy" or a Statesman?

Jan 20, 2010 16:17


I guess Obama is a Really Nice Guy (of the kind that finishes last) or a Great Statesman (a very rare but admirable kind of politician).

The question is who is he exactly?

What does he urge Democrats to do when they have lost a key election and are about two weeks away from losing their super-majority?  He has staked a LOT on passing his healthcare ( Read more... )

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edashevs January 20 2010, 22:29:37 UTC
someone who evaluated options to pass this legislation, counted votes that he could muster for each, realized he can't get it passed without Brown's vote and is making virtue of necessity. In other words putting the best spin on the situation he can -- just like regular politician that he is.

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igorlord January 21 2010, 01:16:27 UTC
The whole point is that MA will take 10-14 days to ratify the election, and meanwhile Dems will keep their 60 super majority. During these two weeks Dems could pass anything w/o Brown or any Rep votes. But Obama does not want to do this...

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edashevs January 21 2010, 03:51:12 UTC
eh... not according to the distinguished gentlemen from Virginia
http://webb.senate.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/2010-01-19-01.cfm

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igorlord January 21 2010, 04:01:03 UTC
He is also saying that "they could but would not".

Looks like Dems want to look Nice. Too bad, they will not get any of niceness from Reps.

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edashevs January 21 2010, 17:29:19 UTC
Two points

a) original post was about Obama not Dems in general, so I'm a bit confused how your latest comment is relevant

b) Jim Webb, being politician, might be motivated by his desire to be re-elected not so much "to look Nice"

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igorlord January 21 2010, 17:45:28 UTC
a) Yes. But you brought up Jim Webb, so that caused a generalization to Dems (at least Dem leadership).

b) People generally have lots of motivations. For example, John Edwards was obviously NOT motivated by furthering his career in politics while screwing (w/o protection) his videographer during his White House election compaign.

So I am still wondering about Obama's (and Webb's) motivation. Your suggestion was that they did not have a chance anyway. My understanding that Dems had a pretty good technical chance, if they all set aside their posturing and tried hard (because in 10 days there would not be a chance, in fact).

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