i'm glad that you hope you are wrong because as much as i logically agree with everything you wrote i don't want it to be that way either. i have been asking myself and others questions about these ideas lately as well and as much as i fight it i find myself coming to similar conclusions. but i am still curious about what it is that makes us want to believe in the romance of it all, that makes us want to believe in something other than a selfish/self-serving motivation behind things
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well, ya but...mineyesNovember 26 2007, 01:53:31 UTC
I like the way you think. I would say that it is still selfish. I mean is it release or is it desire that causes us to think of someone going to heaven or otherwise? I would guess desire. Desire for them to be in a good place because we would feel bad if they were in a bad place. Desire that people can go to a good place so that we have a chance at going there too. Why is heaven all clouds and singing angels and old happy relatives? I think it's because we can't imagine it being like what we know; either because it is so awful or because it is so mundane. What's really weird is the truly happy person who still desires for a HAPPIER afterlife. If someone is happy, why would they want more? Selfishness again. I guess the tricky part is whether me wishing I am wrong is selfishness in itself. I just can't imagine a world where somebodies death would cause little or no reaction. If we all just shrugged our shoulders and marked another line on the wall.
Re: well, ya but...mineyesNovember 26 2007, 03:56:03 UTC
fuck. yeah, wanting it to be more, wanting to be wrong is probably purely selfish. at least when i think of that in terms of myself. dammit, avry. well, i wish it anyway. if i have to be selfish i might as well pick what things i feel okay about being selfish ABOUT.
sometimes i wish that i didn't have such a NEED to over analyze and over think everything. sometimes it makes "good" far too relative and unreachable and practically non-existent. which at times can actually be very comforting, but sometimes i want to believe in magic and fate and romance all of it again. i feel like maybe i was a happier person then, even if a more ignorant, naive and possibly uninteresting person.
Re: well, ya but...ignoramus_soldNovember 26 2007, 18:29:44 UTC
It classsifies all sorts of things as diagnosible disorders etc. I don't know if I could ever fully put my undying support behind a system that looks at indidviduals minds in the context of telling someone "why". Everyone is entirly WAY to complex to understand the meaning for what they do. I guess that what makes me appreciate humaninty so much. all the unpredictability
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I would say that it is still selfish. I mean is it release or is it desire that causes us to think of someone going to heaven or otherwise? I would guess desire. Desire for them to be in a good place because we would feel bad if they were in a bad place. Desire that people can go to a good place so that we have a chance at going there too. Why is heaven all clouds and singing angels and old happy relatives? I think it's because we can't imagine it being like what we know; either because it is so awful or because it is so mundane. What's really weird is the truly happy person who still desires for a HAPPIER afterlife. If someone is happy, why would they want more? Selfishness again.
I guess the tricky part is whether me wishing I am wrong is selfishness in itself. I just can't imagine a world where somebodies death would cause little or no reaction. If we all just shrugged our shoulders and marked another line on the wall.
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sometimes i wish that i didn't have such a NEED to over analyze and over think everything. sometimes it makes "good" far too relative and unreachable and practically non-existent. which at times can actually be very comforting, but sometimes i want to believe in magic and fate and romance all of it again. i feel like maybe i was a happier person then, even if a more ignorant, naive and possibly uninteresting person.
i miss talking to you.
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