As for the Sam/Bobby thing: I completely agree! I like to think that it's got a lot to do with the fact that Bobby next to all his awesomness and nonblood-family member status, is still a HUNTER at heart. I think we gathered over the seasons that hunters are close-knitted community. They value family and humanity... and they certainly aren't very welcoming of anything that is remotely supernatural.
Sam has left his family for his own sake. In Bobby's eyes, that sure must have been Mistake Number One. And later, he finds out about Sam's demon involvement and all that - family be damned, I'm sure it MUST have scratched on his beliefs and values. But of course he still loves Sam - he is family. Dean's the one he feels a closer connection. Probably because he 'gets' him more... and he represents all that is true and valuable in Bobby's eyes (not literally, but you know what I mean, yeah?).
Ah well, I am a happy pile of all that is happy at the moment.
Oh, one last thing: you know, I KEEP wanting to talk about Lisa and Ben because I honestly think that there is so much truth and sense in their involvement in the storyline. I love how they fit into Dean's characteristic development... BUT I really don't like the actress portraying Lisa. Huh o_o I never gave it too much thought because I'm way too invested in Dean's side of the story. But yeah, I don't like her. Back when I saw 'The Kids Are Allright' I wanted that other woman to be Lisa (you know, the one who wanted to drown her daughter?). That woman had SKILLS. Meh, I think she'd've been perfect for that role.
Buuut who cares. I like Lisa and I love what she represents in Dean's life (even more so what BEN represents ♥).
Hmmm, not sure about Bobby's issues with Sam's supernatural insides. I think it has more to do with the implied knowledge of Dean during Sam's stay at Stanford. There is that sentence when Dean said "last time I saw you, you threatened Dad with a shotgun" (or did he say "we saw you"? I hope I'm not wrong...) So, for me, that implies that Dean had been in contact with Bobby with John but without Sam. Maybe even quite a lot, until he chased John away and Dean chose to understand it as him also not being welcome anymore. So, I'm just guessing this, but I think Bobby witnessed how much Dean missed Sam, especially since Sam somehow for some reason didn't call him, didn't pick up the phone. Together with Dean experiencing Bobby's wife being possessed and learning first-hand why their mentor became a hunter, and handling it so delicately and just right ("DalDom")... I guess he just fell in love with Dean. And no, I'm certainly not implying anything slashy. I know you know what I mean.
DEAN was the one who begged Bobby not to kill himself. On a more shallow level, Dean is the one who loves cars and draws comfort from tinkering with them, something I guess Bobby does also, considering how his house and yard diverted to a junkyard. So yes, I agree that he feels closer to Dean maybe because he is 'more hunter' than Sam, but on the other hand, Sam is just as scholarly as Bobby, so ther could have been as much connection over this. But there isn't.
Bobby and Dean just fit each other and understand each other. He isn't their father, so he has every right to have one of them as his favourite. And for whatever reason, that is Dean.
zatnikatel put this in her story "The Killing Moon" (do you know it?), and mirrordance and others mention it or even write a fic about the connection between those two, so I know I'm not the only one.
I, too, was very disappointed in Bobby and Cas, this ep. They were disillusioned and had just given up. What a bunch of dicks, especially Castiel! Man, he kicked Dean nearly unconscious for wanting to say 'yes', but the second he lost the rest of his mojo, he just gives up? Double-standard much? I perfectly see why in 2014, he was high as a kite all the time. And even then he had more fire than he did in 5x22.
Do you have the habit of reading gaelicspirit's ramble? Se really nails it, in my opinion.
And as to being disappointed about the non-epicness (?) of the showdown... well. Yeah. I guess that was pretty much why I sat at my computer and said - out loud - "What the FUCK?" after that episode finished. It was 'meh'. Dean/Jensen was great, Sam/Jared was good. Nobody died long-term (though I really wouldn't have minded Cas staying dead. Just sayin') and the car is safe.
I would have liked Chuck NOT vanishing and implying he was God, because I'd have liked him just as he was. But ok, if they wanted to.
I also very much believe that this would have been a completely different episode if it HAD been the last ever. I know (for a fact) that Kripke chose the boys coming from Lawrence because of exactly that cemetery, therefore I know that it was always intended to end there. I guess it was also always meant to end in kinda that way, that Dean and Sam chose their own destiny. I'm not sure if it would have been still Adam as Mike, but meh, whatever. (Man, did you too think Adam-as-Michael was the most boring angel ever? Boy, he looked like somebody stole his lunchbox at school. )
So, next season we'll have bobby's soul and Crowley \o/, Meg is still out there, Jesse (maybe), Dean and Sam re-uniting (and please, let Dean kick Sam's ass for letting him believe he was still in Hell... (only exception if maybe Sam didn't remember. That'd be kinda interesting)), somehow Dean breaking up with Lisa (please, don't kill her) and then lots and lots of monsters. We didn't yet have a boogeyman! I want one! Yeah, I can live with that schedule.
Oh, though I like the actress who plays Lisa, I agree that the other one was much better. My friend, who watches SPN just since 3rd season (in German...) was SHOCKED about that episode. She is a mother herself, and she was just... man, that was just totally creepy for her.
Ok, stopping now. Should I check the video? I am tear-free right now...
Sam has left his family for his own sake. In Bobby's eyes, that sure must have been Mistake Number One. And later, he finds out about Sam's demon involvement and all that - family be damned, I'm sure it MUST have scratched on his beliefs and values. But of course he still loves Sam - he is family. Dean's the one he feels a closer connection. Probably because he 'gets' him more... and he represents all that is true and valuable in Bobby's eyes (not literally, but you know what I mean, yeah?).
Ah well, I am a happy pile of all that is happy at the moment.
Oh, one last thing: you know, I KEEP wanting to talk about Lisa and Ben because I honestly think that there is so much truth and sense in their involvement in the storyline. I love how they fit into Dean's characteristic development... BUT I really don't like the actress portraying Lisa. Huh o_o
I never gave it too much thought because I'm way too invested in Dean's side of the story. But yeah, I don't like her. Back when I saw 'The Kids Are Allright' I wanted that other woman to be Lisa (you know, the one who wanted to drown her daughter?). That woman had SKILLS. Meh, I think she'd've been perfect for that role.
Buuut who cares. I like Lisa and I love what she represents in Dean's life (even more so what BEN represents ♥).
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So, for me, that implies that Dean had been in contact with Bobby with John but without Sam. Maybe even quite a lot, until he chased John away and Dean chose to understand it as him also not being welcome anymore. So, I'm just guessing this, but I think Bobby witnessed how much Dean missed Sam, especially since Sam somehow for some reason didn't call him, didn't pick up the phone.
Together with Dean experiencing Bobby's wife being possessed and learning first-hand why their mentor became a hunter, and handling it so delicately and just right ("DalDom")... I guess he just fell in love with Dean. And no, I'm certainly not implying anything slashy. I know you know what I mean.
DEAN was the one who begged Bobby not to kill himself. On a more shallow level, Dean is the one who loves cars and draws comfort from tinkering with them, something I guess Bobby does also, considering how his house and yard diverted to a junkyard. So yes, I agree that he feels closer to Dean maybe because he is 'more hunter' than Sam, but on the other hand, Sam is just as scholarly as Bobby, so ther could have been as much connection over this. But there isn't.
Bobby and Dean just fit each other and understand each other. He isn't their father, so he has every right to have one of them as his favourite. And for whatever reason, that is Dean.
zatnikatel put this in her story "The Killing Moon" (do you know it?), and mirrordance and others mention it or even write a fic about the connection between those two, so I know I'm not the only one.
I, too, was very disappointed in Bobby and Cas, this ep. They were disillusioned and had just given up. What a bunch of dicks, especially Castiel! Man, he kicked Dean nearly unconscious for wanting to say 'yes', but the second he lost the rest of his mojo, he just gives up? Double-standard much? I perfectly see why in 2014, he was high as a kite all the time. And even then he had more fire than he did in 5x22.
Do you have the habit of reading gaelicspirit's ramble? Se really nails it, in my opinion.
And as to being disappointed about the non-epicness (?) of the showdown... well. Yeah. I guess that was pretty much why I sat at my computer and said - out loud - "What the FUCK?" after that episode finished.
It was 'meh'. Dean/Jensen was great, Sam/Jared was good. Nobody died long-term (though I really wouldn't have minded Cas staying dead. Just sayin') and the car is safe.
I would have liked Chuck NOT vanishing and implying he was God, because I'd have liked him just as he was. But ok, if they wanted to.
I also very much believe that this would have been a completely different episode if it HAD been the last ever. I know (for a fact) that Kripke chose the boys coming from Lawrence because of exactly that cemetery, therefore I know that it was always intended to end there. I guess it was also always meant to end in kinda that way, that Dean and Sam chose their own destiny. I'm not sure if it would have been still Adam as Mike, but meh, whatever. (Man, did you too think Adam-as-Michael was the most boring angel ever? Boy, he looked like somebody stole his lunchbox at school. )
So, next season we'll have bobby's soul and Crowley \o/, Meg is still out there, Jesse (maybe), Dean and Sam re-uniting (and please, let Dean kick Sam's ass for letting him believe he was still in Hell... (only exception if maybe Sam didn't remember. That'd be kinda interesting)), somehow Dean breaking up with Lisa (please, don't kill her) and then lots and lots of monsters. We didn't yet have a boogeyman! I want one!
Yeah, I can live with that schedule.
Oh, though I like the actress who plays Lisa, I agree that the other one was much better. My friend, who watches SPN just since 3rd season (in German...) was SHOCKED about that episode. She is a mother herself, and she was just... man, that was just totally creepy for her.
Ok, stopping now. Should I check the video? I am tear-free right now...
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