Reaction post for The Ultimate Foe

May 11, 2009 16:39

Apologies for a tardy post once again--had sudden death of laptop yesterday. So you'll all be spared the atrocious photoshop of Six in an eyepatch ( Read more... )

serial: the ultimate foe, rewatchathon, discussion

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hexiva May 12 2009, 10:54:26 UTC
It interests me that, as the Doctor didn't seem to notice that the Valeyard had survived, wouldn't the Valeyard remember the event as ending with his own death? How, exactly, did he think that was going to work out? Just desperate enough to return to Gallifrey for a few days(or however long that was supposed to be) without causing a paradox or unleashing the Daleks on the world or whatever it was that he didn't mind dying? Had he taken a leaf out the Master's book and built a paradox machine? Does he not remember what happened to him?

I noticed that there's a scene in 'The Doctor's Daughter' where the Doctor says "Well, you need to get yourself a better dictionary. When you do, look up 'genocide'. You'll find a little picture of me there, and the caption will read 'Over my dead body'", and in (I think) 'The Ultimate Foe,' the Valeyard is going on about how there are no exceptions to Article Seven. And the two things he's accusing the Sixth Doctor of -- endangering his companions and genocide -- are the two things the Tenth Doctor angsts about. Plus the two post-Time War Doctors wear normal clothing, as does the Valeyard.

Best thing, to me, would be the Master's self-satisfied back-seat driving of the trial. "Not corporeally, but I am present, and enjoying myself enormously." Most successful episode the Master's ever had, really.

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hexiva May 12 2009, 11:03:05 UTC
Also -- because I hit the post button too soon and I've got rather a lot to say about this serial -- what did the Valeyard do to the Master to make him think the Valeyard is a bigger threat? And, on a completely unrelated note, why can't I find any decently lengthy Valeyard/Master slash?

Does it actually say anywhere in the new series that the Doctor can't go back to Gallifrey as opposed to not wanting to go back there because he might change history with a stray mention/it always did take an order from the High Council to get him back?

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tessavance May 26 2009, 06:39:30 UTC
what did the Valeyard do to the Master to make him think the Valeyard is a bigger threat? And, on a completely unrelated note...
I don't think these two things are unrelated at all. Clearly the Valeyard broke the Master's hearts so he's getting his own back by stuffing up the Valeyards's plans.

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hexiva May 26 2009, 07:14:41 UTC
That's why the lack of slash isn't related?

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