Orochimaru (and Kabuto in relation to Orochimaru)/Polyjuice Questions
I've been thinking about Orochimaru pretty heavily for the past, like, two months--in anime club, we're watching the arc with the Gaara-Naruto and the Orochimaru-Sarutobi fights (and, man, if there's anything I want to see more of, it's Orochimaru-Sarutobi interaction). So, correct me if I've contradicted something in canon or forgotten to take
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OK, I remember that hospital scene, but is that being abusive, or just you are going to lose all hope in humanity type of thing? ‘Cos you know that’s not abusive.
Orochimaru as anyone’s father is… is so unbelievably fucked-up that I’m not even going to go there. In addition, because Orochimaru has not cacked yet I’m going to keep on refusing to see the parallels in their deaths. MWAHHAHAHA!
(Because I don't think Orochimaru has it in him to kill Kabuto,
Very astute, and I’m not sure how ‘real’ I perceive this to be; in canon there has never been an occasion where Kabuto betrays Orochimaru. Sure, there are moments you know that he’s thinking about it, but he never carry through with it. Hell, when Orochimaru would have been relatively easy to take care of, Kabuto stayed by him and assisted Orochimaru. The question is; what does Kabuto wants/needs from Orochimaru. Anyways, back to point; on a complete fan-moment I think it is perfect if Kabuto can kill Orochimaru (poetic justice, good story-telling, etc.,) but at the same time all evidence point to Kabuto not being able to kill Orochimaru for one reason or another. Mind you, at the same time it is really quite difficult for me to see Orochimaru offing Kabuto. I can see Orochimaru hurting Kabuto a lot if Kabuto ever decide to carry through with the coup but I cannot see Orochimaru doing the deed.
Having said that, there are times when Naruto-characters do things that are unexpected and really worthy. (Sasuke leaving and not killing Naruto.) So, I suppose it is a problem of not enough canon of what exactly is between the two, and too much speculation is not really good enough.
We shall never mention Orochimaru/Sarutobi in any way/shape/form again. The end.
I can't inflict fiction on Orochimaru.
MWAHAHAHBWAHAHAHAH! I know exactly what you mean. There are still a few things in this world that is sacred to me. Honest.
because you know he has an overarching plan of some so
See, I’d even question that because of the lack of information in canon. I mean I was all for the Secret Plan for the longest time, but seriously, not anymore. I think Kabuto had a plan. But somewhere along the lines he lost it and it id my belief that at one point or another, in the future, he shall re-discover his plan, and THEN betray Orochimaru.
Complete agreement on the idolisation of Orochimaru though.
Orochimaru would drop by sometimes to freak him out and show him that he can never really get away. And that he would probably focus on causing havok in Kabuto's new village.
Seriously, that’s an awesome plot for a fic. Why aren’t you writing this?! I mean you don’t have to write it from Orochimaru’s angle write is from Kabuto’s! But WRITE IT!
is something that everyone has to do, sometime.
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I don't think it's abusive, no. It's certainly not entirely a positive thing, though. (Which, uh, you might expect, given Orochimaru's general personality. And Kabuto's, for that matter.)
Fortunately for us, Orochimaru is doing his best not to become fatherly, even to the point of not growing older. :D He might yet miss out on the slaughter-by-protegé.
OK, well. We've never seen Kabuto actually betray Orochimaru, no--but that'd be in the future, anyway. The thing is, he has thought about it, and more than once. And we already know quite a bit about his past, although we don't know much about his motivations: we know that Sound is his third village, that he managed to learn a lot of high-level jutsus etc. without at the same time gathering any real expectations from people (although he did get more of a reputation as a slimeball than Orochimaru, if we're to believe the people who catch them out in their crimes). We know that he is capable of pretending to hold loyalties that he doesn't. Just because he hasn't betrayed Orochimaru doesn't mean that he won't. I took his hesitation as the time it took him to decide that it was in his best interests to stay and help Orochimaru--that it would be easier for him to continue with that path to his goal than it would be to try to get to it on his own--once he'd processed that he would be able to kill/leave Orochimaru if he wanted to. Because as I said in this post, he recognises Orochimaru's genius & wants to use it.
I really, really hope that Orochimaru and Kabuto never actually have a fight, man. As amazing as the Orochimaru/Sarutobi fight was, and as much as I am totally always on Orochimaru's side in his fights :D, I was torn whenever it came up. I wanted both of them to win, with all my heart. It would be ten times worse if it were Kabuto instead of Sarutobi, and not just because I believe that Kabuto would have to win.
I do agree, though, when you say that Orochimaru could hurt Kabuto a lot. I don't think he has any problem with that. I just think he'd draw the line, consciously or unconsciously, at Kabuto's death. (I wouldn't use the word "coup", though; Kabuto doesn't seem like he would actually want to be a leader? Orochimaru himself is a pretty poor leader, except in the cult-leader sense--he brings people together mainly because of their enthusiasm for him or their enthusiasm for power (or for their enthusiasm for his power), not because he's actually a leader. Kabuto is even less of one; he does better as a second-in-command, or when his work's behind the scenes. If he actually took over Sound village, he wouldn't know what to do, he probably wouldn't care, and he doesn't really have the sort of personality and charisma and strength of ability & purpose that the Sound-nin would follow, anyway. If Kabuto left, it would be for the same sort of role he has now, but one that leads towards something he thinks is more worthy of him or more in line with his own desires than what he's now doing with Orochimaru.)
Man, Kabuto still has some sort of plan, I am certain. :D But he's a pretty patient guy, in general; if he decided that the best way to get to it was to follow Orochimaru's orders for a decade, then that's that. I mean, even Naruto understands that sometimes the fastest way to get where you're going is to take the long way around. (Isn't that what he told Konohamaru?)
Why aren’t you writing this?! I mean you don’t have to write it from Orochimaru’s angle write is from Kabuto’s! But WRITE IT!
The only way I could write something like that is if it were from, like. Temari's point of view. And Sand hears these rumours about Kabuto. If Kabuto were to actually talk about Orochimaru, it would end up as me talking about Orochimaru, not fic. :D Believe me, I've tried. I just have no sense of distance with this.
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