Ok, first of all, I don't remember you ever saying anything too stupid. Or at least, more stupid than what I was saying. That's why I loved all our "arguments" - they could get stupid and crazy but no one was mad when it was all over. Trying doing that with Joel Spector (or that Earl guy). Ummm, anyway....
So these days I compose most of my posts in my head while I'm putting Ellie to sleep. They always take so much longer to actually type out. I'll try to make this as clear as it was in my head just now. It occurred to me that Kara is your Buffy. Or my take on Buffy at least. (And then, after I had that thought, I went back and read your post about how much you love K/L more than B/A. See, I was right!) Anyway, I loved Buffy (the character) so much, even when all she did was give long boring speeches. Reading your angst about Kara makes me sort of glad I came across Buffy after her story was closed. I mean, I never had to worry about Joss fraking it up because it was done.
Anyway, I'm not trying to say that Kara and Buffy are the same characters. Clearly they aren't. It's just that I finally get your love for Kara because that's how much I loved Buffy. Man, I miss her. I may have to break out my S2 DVDs now.
Kara reminds me a lot of Joe. They are both very talented at what they do and get away with *a lot* because of that talent.
I think there was more to my post when I was lying down, but much of it seems to have disappeared now.
Ok, first of all, I don't remember you ever saying anything too stupid. Ha, the mind alterning drugs I slipped into your Appletinis worked! You and I know that I say dumb stuff all the time. Dumb as in inappropriate and too blunt. I have gotten better, but it's hard not to say or even write what I think when I get riled up. I even got into trouble on TWOP because I said that fans who love Lee/Dee just wanted Lee to be the traditionally strong man with a submissive feminine woman. I still think I'm right about that, at least in regards to some viewers, but it was dumb to vent my feminist psychoanalysis on the boards. See what I mean about saying dumb things? Kara reminds me a lot of Joe. I think Joe and Kara have a lot in common. I won't even go into the similarities 'cause we both know what they are. You're definitely like Lee in a lot of ways too. Hmm. And your relationship is volatileand passionate like theirs. Maybe I should ship you and Joe and give up on Kara and Lee? You're more interesting than Lee too :-)
You know, maybe Kara is my Buffy. She certainly a character that I'll forgive anything of and I'll always be on her side. One of my history teachers in college said that to understand is to forgive (he was probably quoting someone but I don't know who) and I forgive Kara every transgression because I do understand her motivations. I loved Buffy but never felt more attached to her character than that of Xander, Spike, Willow or Giles. I loved the group more than the individuals. Of course, I loved the Buffy/Angel story because it was all about angst. Good times :-) Wait, if you feel about Buffy the way I feel about Kara,does this mean that you actually like Reilly because he made Buffy happy? Although, I can't even remember if he made her happy it's been so long...
Latte referred me over here and I'm glad she did, you guys are having a great discussion. Loved your analysis hushpuppy so I added you to me friends list, I hope that's O.K. I think that Kara doesn't knoe that Lee's in love with her, and to be fair how could she, he never shows her and he's behaviour with fraking any woman who seems interested is a testament to that. At first I don't think kara loved Anders, she felt guilty that she left him behind and misinterpreted that as love, however she probably grew to love him, and why not. He doesn't seem to have any of the hang ups Lee does. I think that Kara, being a friend to Lee, knows that he isn't in love with Dee and also that they aren't right for each other. That's probably what she was pointing out in her careless and drunk way. Also Lee reaction on k/a in this scene started to border on voyerism, you could see how much he wanted to be in Anders' place.
Hi beck1, of course you can friend me! I'll friend you right back:-) I think that Kara, being a friend to Lee, knows that he isn't in love with Dee and also that they aren't right for each other. Obviously I agree with you ! Dee isn't right for him and Lee is just continuing to avoid committing to someone by dating Dee. It's like if he dates someone that he knows isn't right for him, then he doesn't have to worry about actually being rejected. what does he intend to do with his life? Pine for Kara? There have to be more appropriate women on the fleet than Dee (who are't hookers). I don't know that Kara knew he was still dating Dee, but I'm certain that she didn't think that the relationship would have continued as long as it had for the very fact that Lee and Dee aren't anything more than frak-buddies (in my opinion). I think that Kara doesn't knoe that Lee's in love with her, and to befair how could she, he never shows her and he's behaviour with frakingany woman who seems interested is a testament to that. Really how could she know? Because he got jealous of her and Baltar? The previous day he had told her that she DIDN'T HAVE HYGIENE. Are those the words of someone that loves you? Okay, maybe in Kara/Lee language--but, I think he has been so scared of showing her (and himself to an extent) how much he cares. His statement that he loved her in Home part 1 was, in his own words, "I'm your friend. And I love you." How is that "I'm in love with you"? Plus, to be fair to Kara (and I always am), she had just returned from Craprica where she was shot, held hostage by the enemy and discovered one of her best friend was a Cylon. She had been through a lot and even if she hadn't felt guilty about leaving Anders behind i don't think she was in any state to deal with Lee kissing her and asking her about her feelings. I don't mean that in a bad way towards Lee, just that their relationship is so delicate and it takes a lot of energy for them to communicate with each other. How in the world should she have gathered from Lee's behavior in Scar that he loved her? In fact, I think she must have been reeling from his apathy while they were drinking to his sudden "What about us?" What us? Where did that come from? Other than the kiss, he had made no move towards Kara that would show her he was in love with her. Of course, she probably knows that there's something going on, but their relationship is so intense and he is so very distant/repressed most of the time that you can't blame her for not realizing what's going on.
So these days I compose most of my posts in my head while I'm putting Ellie to sleep. They always take so much longer to actually type out. I'll try to make this as clear as it was in my head just now. It occurred to me that Kara is your Buffy. Or my take on Buffy at least. (And then, after I had that thought, I went back and read your post about how much you love K/L more than B/A. See, I was right!) Anyway, I loved Buffy (the character) so much, even when all she did was give long boring speeches. Reading your angst about Kara makes me sort of glad I came across Buffy after her story was closed. I mean, I never had to worry about Joss fraking it up because it was done.
Anyway, I'm not trying to say that Kara and Buffy are the same characters. Clearly they aren't. It's just that I finally get your love for Kara because that's how much I loved Buffy. Man, I miss her. I may have to break out my S2 DVDs now.
Kara reminds me a lot of Joe. They are both very talented at what they do and get away with *a lot* because of that talent.
I think there was more to my post when I was lying down, but much of it seems to have disappeared now.
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Ha, the mind alterning drugs I slipped into your Appletinis worked! You and I know that I say dumb stuff all the time. Dumb as in inappropriate and too blunt. I have gotten better, but it's hard not to say or even write what I think when I get riled up. I even got into trouble on TWOP because I said that fans who love Lee/Dee just wanted Lee to be the traditionally strong man with a submissive feminine woman. I still think I'm right about that, at least in regards to some viewers, but it was dumb to vent my feminist psychoanalysis on the boards. See what I mean about saying dumb things?
Kara reminds me a lot of Joe.
I think Joe and Kara have a lot in common. I won't even go into the similarities 'cause we both know what they are. You're definitely like Lee in a lot of ways too. Hmm. And your relationship is volatileand passionate like theirs. Maybe I should ship you and Joe and give up on Kara and Lee? You're more interesting than Lee too :-)
You know, maybe Kara is my Buffy. She certainly a character that I'll forgive anything of and I'll always be on her side. One of my history teachers in college said that to understand is to forgive (he was probably quoting someone but I don't know who) and I forgive Kara every transgression because I do understand her motivations. I loved Buffy but never felt more attached to her character than that of Xander, Spike, Willow or Giles. I loved the group more than the individuals. Of course, I loved the Buffy/Angel story because it was all about angst. Good times :-) Wait, if you feel about Buffy the way I feel about Kara,does this mean that you actually like Reilly because he made Buffy happy? Although, I can't even remember if he made her happy it's been so long...
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I think that Kara doesn't knoe that Lee's in love with her, and to be fair how could she, he never shows her and he's behaviour with fraking any woman who seems interested is a testament to that. At first I don't think kara loved Anders, she felt guilty that she left him behind and misinterpreted that as love, however she probably grew to love him, and why not. He doesn't seem to have any of the hang ups Lee does.
I think that Kara, being a friend to Lee, knows that he isn't in love with Dee and also that they aren't right for each other. That's probably what she was pointing out in her careless and drunk way. Also Lee reaction on k/a in this scene started to border on voyerism, you could see how much he wanted to be in Anders' place.
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I think that Kara, being a friend to Lee, knows that he isn't in love with Dee and also that they aren't right for each other.
Obviously I agree with you ! Dee isn't right for him and Lee is just continuing to avoid committing to someone by dating Dee. It's like if he dates someone that he knows isn't right for him, then he doesn't have to worry about actually being rejected. what does he intend to do with his life? Pine for Kara? There have to be more appropriate women on the fleet than Dee (who are't hookers). I don't know that Kara knew he was still dating Dee, but I'm certain that she didn't think that the relationship would have continued as long as it had for the very fact that Lee and Dee aren't anything more than frak-buddies (in my opinion).
I think that Kara doesn't knoe that Lee's in love with her, and to befair how could she, he never shows her and he's behaviour with frakingany woman who seems interested is a testament to that.
Really how could she know? Because he got jealous of her and Baltar? The previous day he had told her that she DIDN'T HAVE HYGIENE. Are those the words of someone that loves you? Okay, maybe in Kara/Lee language--but, I think he has been so scared of showing her (and himself to an extent) how much he cares. His statement that he loved her in Home part 1 was, in his own words, "I'm your friend. And I love you." How is that "I'm in love with you"? Plus, to be fair to Kara (and I always am), she had just returned from Craprica where she was shot, held hostage by the enemy and discovered one of her best friend was a Cylon. She had been through a lot and even if she hadn't felt guilty about leaving Anders behind i don't think she was in any state to deal with Lee kissing her and asking her about her feelings. I don't mean that in a bad way towards Lee, just that their relationship is so delicate and it takes a lot of energy for them to communicate with each other. How in the world should she have gathered from Lee's behavior in Scar that he loved her? In fact, I think she must have been reeling from his apathy while they were drinking to his sudden "What about us?" What us? Where did that come from? Other than the kiss, he had made no move towards Kara that would show her he was in love with her. Of course, she probably knows that there's something going on, but their relationship is so intense and he is so very distant/repressed most of the time that you can't blame her for not realizing what's going on.
Have I rambled enough? Sorry :-)
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