JM is such an ass. I love how he's always very contemptuous of what fans suggest when he doesn't agree with them, even as he insists that his personal interpretation of episodes that he didn't even write are definitive. He also seems to have no understanding that even if he intended one of his scenes to mean one thing or another, saying so on his blog does not make that meaning an objective truth of some sort. Augh, he drives me insane.
The thing is, even if that scene were in the episode, I think we'd still expect to see some reference to Keller/Ronon in future episodes. Because, as you say, when TPTB put two main characters in a situation where they're about two seconds away from making out, viewers tend to want to know what happened.
The scene above would suggest to me that Keller's still interested in Ronon, although she doesn't know what he's thinking. From the last scene in Quarantine we get the idea that Ronon's interested in Keller, if a bit nervous about the whole thing. I expect to see this picked up on in future episodes. I think that the cut scene does explain that she's not with Ronon and so it's not weird that she's flirting with McKay (and why the hell did they think that scene was expendable?), but it doesn't mean that Ronon & Keller aren't meant to be a thing.
I've pretty much accepted that it was meant to be just a little thing of the moment with no long-term meaning
That does appear to be what was meant. Which is, you know, exhibit #33,340 on why they're sucky writers, because it just makes *no sense* to set up a character who has been single for ten years, then have him finally choose to make a move on another major character, and then expect us to neither know nor care how that worked out for him -- or else to somehow automatically intuit that the event was meaningless to him, even though nothing about Ronon's previous characterization has established him as a guy for whom flirting, sex, or romance is meaningless. It's baffling that they honestly thought we'd know that.
The scene above would suggest to me that Keller's still interested in Ronon, although she doesn't know what he's thinking
Seriously! When you say "I guess the short answer is no," you're kind of implying that there is a LONG answer, which is not also "no." Otherwise, why not just say no to begin with? The deleted scene makes it sound much more ambiguous than Mallozzi's editorial remarks make it sound, so who the hell knows what to believe with these guys.
And this all ignores how shitty the character work is to write off THIS PARTICULAR near-kiss as a non-event. Because in what fucking universe is it not a big deal for Ronon to be initiating his first intimate contact with a woman in ten years? That's a major character moment! And if he tries to take that leap and then either changes his mind about how ready he is or biffs the play so badly that she *thinks* he doesn't really like her that much -- I mean, that's kind of sad, right? That's a thing that I would expect the show to glance sideways at, in a way that I get with a
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The deleted scene makes it sound much more ambiguous than Mallozzi's editorial remarks make it sound, so who the hell knows what to believe with these guys.
My interpretation is that Mallozzi's just being reactionary against fans who are freaking out about Keller being a giant space whore or whatever. He generally seems to be addressing people who think that Keller *must* be dating Ronon and/or Rodney after her interactions with them. Plus he loves being disingenuous in his responses to fans; he likes to choose questions that embody the extreme of an issue so that he can be scornful and also relatively uninformative. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I don't think the writers are so completely out of touch with their characters that they think this would be no big deal to Ronon.
God, they're such dipshits on this show. They have no idea what they're doing.
Yeah, one of the bizarre things about the Mallozzi response is that he's effectively saying, "Why were you dumb enough to think what we wrote and filmed and aired was actually going to matter ten seconds after the credits rolled?" Which...in a way...fair. I can't recall quite WHY I thought that; it's not like I'm new around here. I feel like I should apologize for expecting the SGA writers to be, um, professional writers? That was quite wrong of me. (It is nice to know that Gero at least figured out that the situation required a line or two of attention. I don't even want to know who decided that was so inessential that it belonged on the cutting room floor.)
Yeah, *seriously*. I'm so disappointed in that "missing scene," I wish I hadn't even read it. I would rather be confused forever. *ughhhs*
I mean, for fuck's sake, this is a show where they danced around Sam and Jack's relationship for TEN YEARS, and we were supposed to pick it up from sideways glances and alternate realities and random lines of dialogue about phone calls and hallucinations and whatnot--
-- and then they show us *a whole episode* devoted to Ronon and Keller flirting and cuddling and nearly-smooching and making heartfelt emotional confessions and *Teyla and John noticing* and it being *a thing that everyone knows*--
-- and we weren't supposed to think that meant anything??????? WHAT? I don't even GET IT. Mallozzi, have you WATCHED YOUR SHOW?
Yeah, he's a huge dick in the way he deals with fans. His only response to people who don't like what he does is inevitably, "If you weren't stupid, you'd fall in line with me." He has no friend in me, that's for sure.
Well, Mallozzi is a jackass -- but that said, I hope nobody read my comments as a screed against Keller's sexual behavior. I really tried to avoid that! She's clearly not anyone's property, and whichever of 1-5 ended up being the case, there would be no reason to call her a slut. Not that you said that -- I just needed to put that in writing somewhere on this thread! *g*
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The scene above would suggest to me that Keller's still interested in Ronon, although she doesn't know what he's thinking. From the last scene in Quarantine we get the idea that Ronon's interested in Keller, if a bit nervous about the whole thing. I expect to see this picked up on in future episodes. I think that the cut scene does explain that she's not with Ronon and so it's not weird that she's flirting with McKay (and why the hell did they think that scene was expendable?), but it doesn't mean that Ronon & Keller aren't meant to be a thing.
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That does appear to be what was meant. Which is, you know, exhibit #33,340 on why they're sucky writers, because it just makes *no sense* to set up a character who has been single for ten years, then have him finally choose to make a move on another major character, and then expect us to neither know nor care how that worked out for him -- or else to somehow automatically intuit that the event was meaningless to him, even though nothing about Ronon's previous characterization has established him as a guy for whom flirting, sex, or romance is meaningless. It's baffling that they honestly thought we'd know that.
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Seriously! When you say "I guess the short answer is no," you're kind of implying that there is a LONG answer, which is not also "no." Otherwise, why not just say no to begin with? The deleted scene makes it sound much more ambiguous than Mallozzi's editorial remarks make it sound, so who the hell knows what to believe with these guys.
And this all ignores how shitty the character work is to write off THIS PARTICULAR near-kiss as a non-event. Because in what fucking universe is it not a big deal for Ronon to be initiating his first intimate contact with a woman in ten years? That's a major character moment! And if he tries to take that leap and then either changes his mind about how ready he is or biffs the play so badly that she *thinks* he doesn't really like her that much -- I mean, that's kind of sad, right? That's a thing that I would expect the show to glance sideways at, in a way that I get with a ( ... )
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My interpretation is that Mallozzi's just being reactionary against fans who are freaking out about Keller being a giant space whore or whatever. He generally seems to be addressing people who think that Keller *must* be dating Ronon and/or Rodney after her interactions with them. Plus he loves being disingenuous in his responses to fans; he likes to choose questions that embody the extreme of an issue so that he can be scornful and also relatively uninformative. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I don't think the writers are so completely out of touch with their characters that they think this would be no big deal to Ronon.
God, they're such dipshits on this show. They have no idea what they're doing.
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Yeah, *seriously*. I'm so disappointed in that "missing scene," I wish I hadn't even read it. I would rather be confused forever. *ughhhs*
I mean, for fuck's sake, this is a show where they danced around Sam and Jack's relationship for TEN YEARS, and we were supposed to pick it up from sideways glances and alternate realities and random lines of dialogue about phone calls and hallucinations and whatnot--
-- and then they show us *a whole episode* devoted to Ronon and Keller flirting and cuddling and nearly-smooching and making heartfelt emotional confessions and *Teyla and John noticing* and it being *a thing that everyone knows*--
-- and we weren't supposed to think that meant anything??????? WHAT? I don't even GET IT. Mallozzi, have you WATCHED YOUR SHOW?
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