Damned By My Own Sense of Fair Play

[hsifeng]

Well crap.

The hubby pointed out last night that I am not really following my own rules about dress “design” when it comes to this placard fronted dress project. I tend to pick a dress from a specific image and then reproduce it as closely as possible. At the very least, if I make a dress that is not from a specific source I work to ensure that the

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[kass_rants]

And a word of caution: my biggest costuming frustrations have come from when I invented something that wasn't there. Do as they did and it works. Do something different and it breaks and you spend hours on a dress that you'll never wear.

They really knew a lot more about being them than we do. Seriously.

[hsifeng]

I hear you. I do. And besides, the hubby caught the brunt of my fussy reaction last night (so I am in a much more reasonable and listening-type mood now). The issue for me is not that I think they didn’t potentially do construction in this method, it’s that I am playing mix-n-match with design details.

And honestly, that will drive me nuts in the end. Besides, I like my historical high horse and I am not looking to trade in for a My Pretty Pony; I just a damn fine example of an unusual Pretty Princess (with a high neck).

And I think femkederoas may have just handed me some ammunition on that front….*evil grin*

[kass_rants]

Those are some good images she's shown you. I think I'm just not seeing where the placket comes into any of them. These are Cranach-type gowns that are open in front to the waist, held closed by being pinned (or hooked or sewn) to the Brustfleck. People seem to want to put a stomacher under the Brustfleck or even a corset-type thing, but the bodice doesn't make a shape that indicates that.

You see this construction very clearly in the "Christ and the Adulterous Woman" paintings that Cranach and his followers did. Also I think there's one of some Biblical woman stabbing herself that shows how the dress looks with the Hemd pulled down and the Brustfleck off.

[hsifeng]

This all goes back to femkederoas's research on the wide variety of 'Saxon Princess' gowns: The high collared-with-Brustfleck/Brusttuck* variety is the most commonly recreated, but not the only type shown in the art of the period. In addition to the one described in the last sentence, there are also those without standing collars, with lower U-shaped fronts (also filled with Brusttucks) as well as a number of other ‘sub-varieties’ in this genre.

It just seems I have picked on of the least common types

[femkederoas]

Before you give up utterly, go find some Cranachs (and you'll have to find the right versions, as there are two or three of each and only one that has what I'm talking about).

There is a version of Christ Blessing the Children that has a non-plastroned high-necked gown in light blue, though relatively unembellished.

The other is a version of Hercules and Omphale (sp?) - the lady on the far right of the scene is in a non-plastroned black high-necked gown.

I'll go looking...

[hsifeng]

YOU, my dear, are TOTALLY getting serenaded with ‘Wind Beneath My Wings’ when I finally get to see you in person.

;)

[femkederoas]

*rofl* I tried to post them last night put LJ pooped out on me and I was too tired to fight with it. Sorry. ;-)

I'll have to check my flash drive, too, and see if I have any more.

It might also be worthwhile to do a Flickr search or Google Image search on Hans Krell.

[hsifeng]

You give me so many ideas! Thank you! I will have to make a note to do this later in the week, when work is slightly less cray-zee. *eye roll*

*le sigh*

Thank you again sugar!

[femkederoas]

http://www.royalacademy.org.uk/exhibitions/cranach/the-pictorial-world-of-the-protestants,566,AR.html

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UOkbspsah4E/SbY0YhWFj_I/AAAAAAAAAiY/AovqiPInQ-I/s1600-h/Lucas-2.jpg.jpeg

[hsifeng]

*showers you with love!*

Ok, ok. So it's images with the Big JC (Muse Monkey is nattering on about possible allegory, pardon me while I go hit it with a stick); but the woman to the left of Jesus in both images seems to be wearing a placard fronted dress. WINNER(s)!

*begins making notes*

You know, it is beginning to look like the ‘cow bell’ cuffs aren’t really made for this sort of dress. *hum*

Any chance someone might have high-res copies of these for going ZOOOoooooommmm with?

[femkederoas]

Hrrrmmm.... There are SO many copies of these that came out of Cranach's workshop, with various levels of quality.

For zoomable, I'd start with Christie's/Sotheby's. Or maybe a flickr search.

Also ILL for the exhibition catalog from the Thyssen-Whatever it is Museum - it's called "Cranach" IIRC.

[hsifeng]

*looks at own icon*

Well...I guess I should follow my own advice. *chuckle*

[alysten]

I am always amazed at watching someone else's creative process. Thanks for sharing.

[hsifeng]

You know, me too! In fact, that was what got me addicted to LJ/dress diaries in the first place. *chuckle*

Happy to provide your daily fix m’dear! ;)

[gryphonlsb]

Uhm...why is your mood acting like Mr Miyagi?
(Im asking for a friend of course)

[hsifeng]

*chuckle*

What? No Supernatural mood themes for you?

[gryphonlsb]

ok, I do like the Fuckery one

Is there a Fuckeroo?

Gotta go with the full Dreamcatcher
ooo iDuddits as well

[hsifeng]

I am partial to this one myself...*chuckle*