I am still confused why Voldemort took it so seriously. Just the threat scared him or was there more??
I would think more rational about it. WOuld look at all the factors and then go with what made the most sense and guess that is what Voldemort did , though he was motivated by own bias and the sameness in him and Harry.
It's in her family but think somehow she can channel the energy and when all the elements are in the right combinations she has a vision.
His behaviour reminds me of in the bible, when Herod the Great had all the one year old babies killed because he had heard of a newborn king.
I never thought in the beginning that he really took it too seriously, but that it was easy for him to just kill the boy and then never worry about it again. However, after that nearly lead to his death he focused more on it and that's why he needed to hear the full thing later on.
Do you think too much is set in store by the prophecy? Why or why not?
I think it depends on the person. I think Dumbledore made it clear that (at least with the prophecy about Harry and Voldemort) that it was only made true because Voldemort believed it true. It was only made about Harry because Voldemort made it be about Harry. If you find a person who holds no weight in such things (maybe a Hermione-ish type person) and they just didn't care or didn't know about a prophecy that was made about them that it would never come true - and never be a prophecy.
I'm not sure if I would actually classify it as worry. I mean, okay, I lie, it's definitely a worry, BUT I think that the reason he is so careful about things like that and takes the prophecy so seriously is because he knows there are so many different types of magic. He doesn't want to take things for granted and wants to make sure that EVERYTHING aligns for his take over. We see how he can have a blind spot, and when he does it's huge, so I think he was just attempting to not have that spot be there.
What do you think triggered Trelawney's (actual) Seer potential in the first place?We do know that Trelawney's great-grandmother (at least I think it was great-grandmother) was a true and actual seer. That type of ability supposedly skips generations. If that was true Trelawney wouldn't have that type of ability, which I think it's obvious that she didn't have her great-grandmother's ability
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SOme were their heart on their sleeves. Then others are very hard to "read" as they say. Some know things before they go on. Doesn't mean have abilities they just are more tuned into things
What do you think the outcomes would be if the prophecy was never even put into play?
If the prophecy was never brought to Voldemort's attention I don't think James and Lily would have died, at least not when they did. Harry would have never been marked as the Dark Lord's equal. He would have never become the person that he was meant to be in the series.
I'd argue the point that Voldemort could have won the war if the prophecy wasn't brought into play.
Well, I really do believe that Harry was the only one who could have destroyed Voldemort. I think people would have come close (Dumbledore being one of them obviously), but Voldemort has this particular way of being able to get out situations. He has followers that are deranged and willing to die for him and he has no problem throwing them in the line of fire should things not be looking good for him. I think he could have just continued do that forever.
Not to mention the horcruxes. If Voldemort wasn't destroyed when he was (which arguably is an affect of knowing the prophecy) there's no telling how long it would have taken people to not only FIND his horcruxes, but to realize that they were there.
Okay, this is going to be tl;dr. but I know you all love reading HP, so here goes some epic quoting:
“So, when the prophecy says that I’ll have ‘power the Dark Lord knows not,’ it just means - love?” asked Harry, feeling a little let down. “Yes - just love,” said Dumbledore. “But Harry, never forget that what the prophecy says is only significant because Voldemort made it so. I told you this at the end of last year. Voldemort singled you out as the person who would be most dangerous to him - and in doing so, he made you the person who would be most dangerous to him!” “But it comes to the same -” “No, it doesn’t!” said Dumbledore, sounding impatient now. Pointing at Harry with his black, withered hand, he said, “You are setting too much store by the prophecy!”“But,” spluttered Harry, “but you said the prophecy means
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YES I was hoping someone would bring up this passage! And this is why I love HBP (WHICH I WILL TOTALLY TRY TO READ AND DISCUSS FOR REAL WHEN WE GET TO IT)
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I would think more rational about it. WOuld look at all the factors and then go with what made the most sense and guess that is what Voldemort did , though he was motivated by own bias and the sameness in him and Harry.
It's in her family but think somehow she can channel the energy and when all the elements are in the right combinations she has a vision.
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I never thought in the beginning that he really took it too seriously, but that it was easy for him to just kill the boy and then never worry about it again. However, after that nearly lead to his death he focused more on it and that's why he needed to hear the full thing later on.
That's always how I saw it at least.
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I think it depends on the person. I think Dumbledore made it clear that (at least with the prophecy about Harry and Voldemort) that it was only made true because Voldemort believed it true. It was only made about Harry because Voldemort made it be about Harry. If you find a person who holds no weight in such things (maybe a Hermione-ish type person) and they just didn't care or didn't know about a prophecy that was made about them that it would never come true - and never be a prophecy.
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If the prophecy was never brought to Voldemort's attention I don't think James and Lily would have died, at least not when they did. Harry would have never been marked as the Dark Lord's equal. He would have never become the person that he was meant to be in the series.
I'd argue the point that Voldemort could have won the war if the prophecy wasn't brought into play.
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Well, I really do believe that Harry was the only one who could have destroyed Voldemort. I think people would have come close (Dumbledore being one of them obviously), but Voldemort has this particular way of being able to get out situations. He has followers that are deranged and willing to die for him and he has no problem throwing them in the line of fire should things not be looking good for him. I think he could have just continued do that forever.
Not to mention the horcruxes. If Voldemort wasn't destroyed when he was (which arguably is an affect of knowing the prophecy) there's no telling how long it would have taken people to not only FIND his horcruxes, but to realize that they were there.
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“So, when the prophecy says that I’ll have ‘power the Dark Lord knows not,’ it just means - love?” asked Harry, feeling a little let down.
“Yes - just love,” said Dumbledore. “But Harry, never forget that what the prophecy says is only significant because Voldemort made it so. I told you this at the end of last year. Voldemort singled you out as the person who would be most dangerous to him - and in doing so, he made you the person who would be most dangerous to him!”
“But it comes to the same -”
“No, it doesn’t!” said Dumbledore, sounding impatient now. Pointing at Harry with his black, withered hand, he said, “You are setting too much store by the prophecy!”“But,” spluttered Harry, “but you said the prophecy means ( ... )
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YES I was hoping someone would bring up this passage! And this is why I love HBP (WHICH I WILL TOTALLY TRY TO READ AND DISCUSS FOR REAL WHEN WE GET TO IT)
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