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[honeyandvinegar]

I gotta say, even if some disagree, I feckin' loved the Beastie-vid. I can see how it might turn some off--not every day you come across a LITERAL piss-fight--but the music takes me back to being in my bff's bedroom, her walls covered in posters (like, no-plaster-visible-covered) featuring them quite prominently in the middle of one wall, and her

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[lavendertook]

And guys fantasize about this kinda shit, stuff they'd nevereverever do in real life, but--

"Oh, I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK . . . " *runs*

:-D *still runs*

[honeyandvinegar]

LOL! Why run??

[lavendertook]

Playin' with yew!

I just need to mix it up whenever something's said to be a guy thing or gal thing. Early memories of thinking "Hey, you people are making this shit up--I saw you do it!" never die. (-:

[honeyandvinegar]

Aw no, it's just from my own experience with guys. There IS a common thread in both sexes; Pan's told me a LOT. He's nowhere near this level of mad or wild, but he understands it, has seen it, etc. Girls can do the same shit, but Lij is a 'guy', y'know? LOL.

[lavendertook]

But I don't really know--he's an actor. He might be more conscious of the roles he puts on and off, even the gendered ones. And he might not be, even though he seems to be pretty mutable in how he adapts to crowds. I don't know how much he identifies with 'guy' culture(s) or what parts.

[honeyandvinegar]

Well, by 'guy' I don't mean that he's a braindead frat boy, LOL! I mean more that yelling 'PORN AND CHOCOLATE!' while drunk in public, peeing in public fountains, mouthing off to Jared Leto, making scathing, curse-filled reviews of 'Pearl Harbor' and 'Godzilla', having bouncers report in blogs that they had to help him to a cab unless he ended up curb-stomping HIMSELF, doing the TTT E! channel promos with him and Dom making weird dino-like noises and acting like buffoons... he may be sincerely sweet and sensitive, but he's got himself a wild-guy side. He's not the Ad Rock persona he portrays, but I bet to hell that he loved doing it! So outside the usual pouty-faced boy-man roles he does. ;)

[lavendertook]

It's just when you say "guy-side' vs 'boy-man roles,' one is innate and one is acted, and I just have no idea. (-: He may love acting it all. With Dom you make weird dino sounds--it's what you do with Dom. (-:

[honeyandvinegar]

Acksherly, I don't think it's as clear-cut as that. They're ALL roles, and we don't know who he really, really is--never will. I don't think he's 100% SUPER GUY (this vid, Green Street), nor do I think he's 100% confused, pouty lil' angel (LotR, Bumblebee Flies Anyway). He's a big mix of both--my opinion, if it actually COUNTS, lol.

If I HAD to pin his persona down via a role, I would very much go with Casey, minus the easily-bullies part. He's sharp-witted/tongued, smart and intuitive. And in the end, a badass! :D:D:D!

Anything's pastable with Dom. ANYTHING.

[lavendertook]

If we can make that a mix of more than 'both" and add in more types of presentation, we iz in agreezmintz.

You got me thinking about defining the "guy" thing here though. How is the guyness you're thinking of here different from fratboy deadbrainness? Frat boys like to piss on and destroy stuff, too. So how is the guyness Lij is portraying here different from that? Is it? (Here I come with the essay questions--sorry!)

I'm just thinking about privilege, whiteness, class, and dominance, and all that good stuff, and the white nerd D&D guys I used to play and hang with in my teens and 20's, and one of them who I've been putting off a confrontation with for how he's exercising his patriarchal priv in sf/f con culture, and boy, is that going to be a ball of fun.

[honeyandvinegar]

Oh, nuu... I think things got mixed-up. When I say Lij is a 'guy', I say that he's got his testosterone and his own brand of wild-guy behavior that would allow him to have fun with this madness. It isn't about labels, prejudice or over-generalizing, but noticing the quirks/behavior patterns between women and men. Like... who's more likely to have a crazy, stupid fantasy (one they'd prolly never do) where they piss on something for fun? Maybe you could chalk it up to convenience, lol, but I'd say guys. It doesn't mean girls CAN'T or never DO, but the likelihood is what I'm talking about.

I hope I'm not being confusing!

PS--good luck? *cringes*

[lavendertook]

I'm a little confused, but I think that's because I wandered into a corner where the questions are of interest to me alone. *waves to you*

*does not think about peeing in the potted plant in the corner, but will in time if she doesn't wander out of it soon enough, because her bladder capacity is smaller than average--hey, the sources of fantasies can be diverse!* :-D

Thank you--I will indulge in total avoidance of him for the time being instead of dealing with a confrontation, but presiding on panels on "How to be a Dirty Old Man in Fandom"?--just NO, you can't do that shit and be my friend anymore. *shakes head*

[honeyandvinegar]

Ya, we kinda made ourselves a human cul-de-sac. Lol. I dunno where I am, corner or not! Keep calling my name, I'll try to follow the sound of your voice! *wanders aimlessly*

WAIT. BEST IDEA EVAR.

PEE ON HIM! :D

[lavendertook]

NO! HE'D THINK HE WON THE POT OF FUCKING GOLD!

WHICH WOULD UNDERMINE ANY SATISFACTION I WOULD GET FROM IT!! NO CAN DO!!!

[honeyandvinegar]

He'd LIKE that...? *grimaces* GET. AWAY.