2) God is All-wise/All-knowing

[homoviator]

If this is so, He knows the present and future. Then he also knows the present good and present evil as well as the future good and future evil. Then is it not possible that God would tolerate horrible things like starvation because he foresees that in the long run that more people will be better and happier than if he miraculously intervened?

Comments

Re: Hmmm

[akui_]

so you think that this overpopulation which causes starvation and poverty and all that crap is acceptible because you believe in god? or you think it's some divine plan to just fill this earth to the brim and wipe it all out because he has nothing better to do? maybe to create God: The Next Testament. make it all him and X-treme sort of.

every time we cure something something new pops up because viruses are constantly evolving to be immune to our cures. so it mutates. hence never being able to find a cure for the "common" cold. no two colds are alike because the virus just keeps mutating. every once in a while it mutates into something horrible like the flu which turns into pneumonia which kills you. it's all highly scientific. and shouldn't that sentence read "It seems to me every time we come up with some cure or whatnot, god blesses us with a new, more difficult to eliminate disease."?

i actually formulated a theory not too long ago that retarded folks and nature trying to create a new species of human, and it's just not quite turning out right. all the different "categories" of retards are just like other homo species that haven't really panned out and just disappeared, they were just never documented back in caveman times cuz we didn't have the brains to do it. or to look at things on a world-wide scale. but what do i know

Things that make you Ouch

[homoviator]

To believe in the Christian God is to believe that He has a perfect plan within his perfect time-table.

Are you a fan of George Carlin? I wouldnt call myself a fan, but i like listening to his ideas, not because i agree with them, but because he's pretty smart and it makes me think. One of the things he says is "Why isnt there enough suffering?"

He believes that man is doomed because we're all idiots and we deserve to die. And if we suffered more then maybe we'd be smarter and actually get off our arses and fix our lives and etc.

Me, its my opinion that we have the perfect amount of suffering in this world- not too much and not too little.

As for the virus' and such, i included this because i didnt think genetic engineering could wipe disease from our race. In the effort to 'perfectly evolve', i do not think we could ever get to a point where we would consider ourselves fully evolved.

"It seems to me every time we come up with some cure or whatnot, god blesses us with a new, more difficult to eliminate disease."?

I wouldn't say bless, but yes, i do think that people need suffering.

Re: Things that make you Ouch

[akui_]

we can be as perfectly evolved as we want, it's nature that's changing to try to rid itself of the virus that is man. there have been theories put forth by quite a few smarty men (if you really want a list of names i'll try to find one. but i'm not big on research) that there have been a number of incredibly catastrophic events take place in our history, so catastrophic that they essentially set our evolution back to zero. the dinosaurs disappearing is thought to be the last event of this kind. boils down to earth gets pissed off at all the crap going down and changes to try and level the playing field. if that doesn't work then it's time to push the reset button. this theory also states that we've come just as far as we have this time around, even further really and that's where all these weird "natural" monuments have come from (stone henge, the pyramids etc). they're just leftovers from when we were here last time.

as for george carlin i think he's brilliant. his serious humor revolves around all the issues that i have problems with in christianity.

and my point with that sentence you quoted was that either way you look at it when we figure something out either 1) mother nature goes "fuck you, take this" or 2) god goes "well they sure have learned a lot about my most masterful work, the human body.. let's see what they can do with this" depending on your point of view. i choose to believe that we've done more than enough damage to the earth to make it pissed off and make it try to get rid of us than that there is this god who keeps testing us or whatever he's doing with all this crap that's coming out of nature.

Re: Things that make you Ouch

[homoviator]

I dont think God tests us in that manner, but rather the catastrophes we face (both global and personal) are results of our sin. When we try to rely solely on ourselves and live by our own rules (therefore living in sin), the sin manifests into diseases and disasters. Pretty much, to me they're reminders that man isnt good enough by themselves.

The funny thing i find with George Carlin is that if i didnt believe in God i think i would believe the same things he does. It makes me wonder if he believed in God, how much like me might he have become.