In terms of The Watchmen, I'm not like an avid fan or anything, but I did see the film and just the concept it, the idea of "Who Watches the Watchmen" in general is VERY Doctor Who (and especially Torchwood) and I love it. The notion of this group of superheroes charged with taking care of humanity, but only one of them has true powers, and what does he do? He loses interest. So to me that screams the Doctor since he, like Dr. Manhattan, is a god among men. He can easily say screw it and hop to Mars to build a giant glass castle thing or whatever he wants. He can easily lose interest in Earthly matters because he can see so much more! Also they have the same name. :P Bada bum tshh!
You know, I think one big reason that the Doctor dislikes Torchwood so much is that its world view is very similar to his own. (Ideas above their station...). Exactly! What the Doctor hates most, is a mirror to his face. He loves to live in denial. I mean that's the whole point of him and Rose (though sadly there are too many people in the fandom who don't see it this way). And that's why he avoids Jack in Series 3. He runs away! That's his character from the beginning. He ran away from the Time Vortex when he was a wee Time Lord, then he stole the TARDIS and ran away later. It's just how he rolls, the coward. And then just as Torchwood does, he wiped everyone out during the Time War.
Ah, you just feed me meta! Om nom nom! I'll open it up in a tab. Thanks! :)
Noes! I HATE when LJ eats comments! :'( It might have been my 8 y.o.'s fault, since she distracted me and suddenly the comment was GONE! :(
the idea of "Who Watches the Watchmen" in general is VERY Doctor Who (and especially Torchwood) and I love it. *nods a lot* Same here!
The notion of this group of superheroes charged with taking care of humanity, but only one of them has true powers, and what does he do? He loses interest. So to me that screams the Doctor since he, like Dr. Manhattan, is a god among men. He can easily say screw it and hop to Mars to build a giant glass castle thing or whatever he wants. He can easily lose interest in Earthly matters because he can see so much more! Also they have the same name. :P Bada bum tshh! Hee! I don't think that's all though. The Doctor runs away for a lot of reasons, one of which being that he keeps losing people (often because of what he is) and he can't deal with the pain. (Very Manhattan, actually.) This vid shows is perfectly! Yes, he runs, which Davros calls him on - but in a way what else can he do? Jack runs too, because he can't live with what he did. (And I'm half-asleep now, I should go...)
Ah well here we run into the personal views of the Doctor and the show. I've realized that I don't pity him. Now what you say about his running away due to all the people he keeps losing, well again I bring up that mirror. What Davros called him on was creating an army to fight for him. It's his so-called principles that get in the way of him picking up a gun, but in reality it's his cowardice. Look at Human Nature. John Smith held that rifle, but what happened next? He let all those boys do the shooting, just like he taught them. That's sort of what that vid you linked to is about, the pain he feels when Davros calls him on it. The pain and the shame. And yes, Jack runs away because he leads all his little soldiers to death as well, but then Jack is always there to pull the trigger himself as well. That's HIS problem.
Anyway if you want to see an incredible vid dealing with the Doctor's guilt and the pain of being a Time Lord you should check out New Dawn Fades (if you haven't already). It's my favorite character study of him. (Except for the ones I make. :P)
Ah well here we run into the personal views of the Doctor and the show. Indeed. And it's all the different POVs that make discussions so interesting. :)
It's his so-called principles that get in the way of him picking up a gun, but in reality it's his cowardice. Hmmmm. Yes and no. I think the Doctor is very, very good at lying to himself, and running away, and saying 'I'm not a soldier' (Oh, how I love Jenny calling him on it!), but part of it, I think, is because he knows what he is capable of. That he has the power to destroy worlds, and has done so. To quote Angel: "I happen to be the greatest mass murderer you've ever met." (But, I'm writing meta, so I will stop! And nearly asleep... I just *had* to check my e-mail.)
Anyway if you want to see an incredible vid dealing with the Doctor's guilt and the pain of being a Time Lord you should check out New Dawn Fades (if you haven't already). I have! (I need to leave feedback, I know.) But yes, excellent vid.
I shall refrain from making any kind of response that would keep you from sleepy time. :) Aw, thanks! And in return I shall give you fic recs! *g* Firstly Even the Damned, which is the post-CoE Jack/Ten reunion that they *ought* to film. The second rec is a little more tricky, since I haven't actually written it yet... (But it will be a part of this 'verse if you feel like checking it out. Plotbunnies are currently eating me alive. *kicks them*)
I shall say, however, that it's been a pleasure talking thinky thoughts with you. Yay! :D Oh same here! And I am trying to get the meta to behave, it's just being awkward. Give it a week (or maybe two) and I should have it done. I just keep running off on tangents.
Oh goodness me. You've given me so much reading material! Haha! (Oh and that AU verse tho interesting sounding totally confused me because I'm kind of obsessed with Legend of the Seeker so yeah, I had to read it a couple times to understand that it wasn't a crossover. :P)
Oh goodness me. You've given me so much reading material! Haha! ::hides:: Sorry. It's a thing.
I'm kind of obsessed with Legend of the Seeker so yeah, I had to read it a couple times to understand that it wasn't a crossover. :P Yes, it is unfortunately a very common name in SF/fantasy, but that's what he wanted to call himself. OCs can be awkward.
And now I shall leave you alone. (Esp since RL is getting busy. *sigh*)
In terms of The Watchmen, I'm not like an avid fan or anything, but I did see the film and just the concept it, the idea of "Who Watches the Watchmen" in general is VERY Doctor Who (and especially Torchwood) and I love it. The notion of this group of superheroes charged with taking care of humanity, but only one of them has true powers, and what does he do? He loses interest. So to me that screams the Doctor since he, like Dr. Manhattan, is a god among men. He can easily say screw it and hop to Mars to build a giant glass castle thing or whatever he wants. He can easily lose interest in Earthly matters because he can see so much more! Also they have the same name. :P Bada bum tshh!
You know, I think one big reason that the Doctor dislikes Torchwood so much is that its world view is very similar to his own. (Ideas above their station...).
Exactly! What the Doctor hates most, is a mirror to his face. He loves to live in denial. I mean that's the whole point of him and Rose (though sadly there are too many people in the fandom who don't see it this way). And that's why he avoids Jack in Series 3. He runs away! That's his character from the beginning. He ran away from the Time Vortex when he was a wee Time Lord, then he stole the TARDIS and ran away later. It's just how he rolls, the coward. And then just as Torchwood does, he wiped everyone out during the Time War.
Ah, you just feed me meta! Om nom nom! I'll open it up in a tab. Thanks! :)
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It might have been my 8 y.o.'s fault, since she distracted me and suddenly the comment was GONE! :(
the idea of "Who Watches the Watchmen" in general is VERY Doctor Who (and especially Torchwood) and I love it.
*nods a lot* Same here!
The notion of this group of superheroes charged with taking care of humanity, but only one of them has true powers, and what does he do? He loses interest. So to me that screams the Doctor since he, like Dr. Manhattan, is a god among men. He can easily say screw it and hop to Mars to build a giant glass castle thing or whatever he wants. He can easily lose interest in Earthly matters because he can see so much more! Also they have the same name. :P Bada bum tshh!
Hee! I don't think that's all though. The Doctor runs away for a lot of reasons, one of which being that he keeps losing people (often because of what he is) and he can't deal with the pain. (Very Manhattan, actually.) This vid shows is perfectly! Yes, he runs, which Davros calls him on - but in a way what else can he do? Jack runs too, because he can't live with what he did. (And I'm half-asleep now, I should go...)
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Anyway if you want to see an incredible vid dealing with the Doctor's guilt and the pain of being a Time Lord you should check out New Dawn Fades (if you haven't already). It's my favorite character study of him. (Except for the ones I make. :P)
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Indeed. And it's all the different POVs that make discussions so interesting. :)
It's his so-called principles that get in the way of him picking up a gun, but in reality it's his cowardice.
Hmmmm. Yes and no. I think the Doctor is very, very good at lying to himself, and running away, and saying 'I'm not a soldier' (Oh, how I love Jenny calling him on it!), but part of it, I think, is because he knows what he is capable of. That he has the power to destroy worlds, and has done so. To quote Angel: "I happen to be the greatest mass murderer you've ever met." (But, I'm writing meta, so I will stop! And nearly asleep... I just *had* to check my e-mail.)
Anyway if you want to see an incredible vid dealing with the Doctor's guilt and the pain of being a Time Lord you should check out New Dawn Fades (if you haven't already).
I have! (I need to leave feedback, I know.) But yes, excellent vid.
And now goodnight!
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I shall say, however, that it's been a pleasure talking thinky thoughts with you. Yay! :D
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Aw, thanks! And in return I shall give you fic recs! *g* Firstly Even the Damned, which is the post-CoE Jack/Ten reunion that they *ought* to film. The second rec is a little more tricky, since I haven't actually written it yet... (But it will be a part of this 'verse if you feel like checking it out. Plotbunnies are currently eating me alive. *kicks them*)
I shall say, however, that it's been a pleasure talking thinky thoughts with you. Yay! :D
Oh same here! And I am trying to get the meta to behave, it's just being awkward. Give it a week (or maybe two) and I should have it done. I just keep running off on tangents.
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Legend of the Seeker so yeah, I had to read it a couple times to understand that it wasn't a crossover. :P)
No worries about the meta. Pace yourself. :)
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::hides:: Sorry. It's a thing.
I'm kind of obsessed with Legend of the Seeker so yeah, I had to read it a couple times to understand that it wasn't a crossover. :P
Yes, it is unfortunately a very common name in SF/fantasy, but that's what he wanted to call himself. OCs can be awkward.
And now I shall leave you alone. (Esp since RL is getting busy. *sigh*)
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