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abele January 24 2004, 00:31:43 UTC
глобус??

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hojja_nusreddin January 24 2004, 01:11:45 UTC
? :)

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abele January 24 2004, 02:52:59 UTC
по церковной доктрине тех времен земля была плоской, кажется.

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hojja_nusreddin January 24 2004, 03:41:15 UTC
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~nagiel/99_hsr_webpage/doomsday/page36-38.html
"Others thought that the Antichrist would recruit a pope to serve him, and then the pope himself would become the Man of Sin. Some thought that Pope Sylvester II was the perfect candidate because he expressed doubt that the Judgment Day would soon be upon them. Sylvester was also suspicious because he practiced "black arts" such as astronomy and mathematics with Jews and Moors, and he made spheres that depicted the earth as a globe. (3)"

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abele January 24 2004, 20:40:31 UTC
действительно был какой-то еретик, а не папа:) А что с ним стало после 1003?

Убедили насчет глобуса, но только гарвардская ссылка. В тех, что ниже "celestial" - т.е. сферообразный макет звездного неба, а не глобус земли, как я поняла.

Спасибо за разъяснительную работу.

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hojja_nusreddin January 25 2004, 06:24:28 UTC
> действительно был какой-то еретик, а не папа:) А что с ним стало после 1003?

умер

> Убедили насчет глобуса, но только гарвардская ссылка. В тех, что ниже "celestial" - т.е. сферообразный макет звездного неба, а не глобус земли, как я поняла.

там есть фото: в центре деревянный глобус Земли а вокруг него проволочный глобус неба.

> Спасибо за разъяснительную работу.

:)

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hojja_nusreddin January 24 2004, 04:04:28 UTC
"The great Classical authors such as Euclid, Aristotle and Ptolemy were translated and made widely available and important cultural centres flourished from Spain to Persia. Some astronomers such as Albumazar ( Abu Mashar 787-886 ) or Al-Sufi ( 903-986 ) became famous in Christian Europe. A dozen brass celestial globes, often set with silver stars, date from the great age of Islamic astronomy between 900 and 1300.

Unrelated to the Islamic world, the first Western maps of the Heavens or planispheres begin to appear in the IX th century. They seem to derive directly from the Late Empire. Throughout the Middle Âges, these diagrams were copied from abbey to abbey by anonymous scribes. In Reims, Gerbert d’Aurillac ( 946-1003 ), later Pope Sylvester II, made use of different instruments in his teaching of astronomy and invented a wooden celestial globe painted with circles.
http://www.galerie-kugel.com/c/c_en.htm

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hojja_nusreddin January 24 2004, 04:16:51 UTC
Clear references to demonstrational armillaries are absent from the documents of the Islamic world. Yet Gerbert d'Aurillac (c. 945-1003), who became Pope Sylvester II in 999, is credited with introducing demonstrational armillaries into medieval Christian Europe, and it is often assumed that he acquired knowledge of the instrument via Islamic Spain. Gerbert's correspondence reveals that he employed at least two types of spherical model, both equipped with sighting tubes for alignment with the heavens.
http://www.hps.cam.ac.uk/starry/armilldemon.html

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