That? Was AWSOME! Thank you so much for writing and sharing it.
Not only is the story absolutely lovely, I can also perfectly hear their voices in my head.
I didn't know anyone knew that TV show but me! I mean, I was sure that somebody must've watched it, too, back then, but since I've never seen it mentioned anywhere, I just thought people had forgotten all about it. Which made me a little sad, because I loved that show to pieces and Whitehead and Pickering are my favourite Holmes and Watson right after (sorry ;) RDJ und Jude Law.
It is pretty wonderful, isn't it? Someone uploaded it all to YouTube, and I am ridiculously grateful to them for that, otherwise I'd never have seen it. I could pick a million tiny holes in it (must you include the blasted deerstalker? *sigh*), but really, it's too good to hate for little things like Holmes' hair colour or nose shape
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AUGH YES. The problem with Ritchie's use of Adler is that it actually makes sense in context, if you take out the question of Holmes' sexuality. (Which I realise is sacriledge, but for the sake of simplicity...) The character extrapolations that they've made aren't baseless - they simply assume that Adler's actions in SCAN are her modus operandi. And if you assume that she blackmails royals and has hasty marriages on a regular basis, it sort of makes sense, that interpretation of her as a regular - and skilled - criminal. She and Holmes would be consorting on a regular basis, and if you then take into account the practically all-pervading, utterly baseless assumpion that most accept, it's not that much of a step to assume they had an affair. None of this stops me hating it. (Seriously, I have such a grudge where Irene Adler is concerned. I worry so much about Moffat and the second series of Sherlock, it's not even funny. D
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I know what you mean. Same here. A friend of mine actually discussed at length, why it is that I'm hating the whole Holmes-Adler-"romance" so much. In the end I couldn't have cared less. The why doesn't really matter to me anyway. I hate it and that's reason enough for me.
Plus, I hate the whole Hollywood movie rule thing, that in every movie must be a romance. To quote myself again: Why do we need a female love interest for Holmes, anyway? I read all the books and never once was Holmes even remotely interested in a woman! Not even in Irene fucking Adler! Not romantically and/or sexually, anyway. Why do they always have to force such a horrible, unfitting and totally unnecessary romance on us??? Why does every healthy, single male on screen have to fall in love with some stupid woman??? Couldn’t they just have left Holmes be the loner (except for Watson) he’s always been in the books? Christ! Romance in movies is so fucking overrated! /quote
Seriously, I have such a grudge where Irene Adler is
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I think at this stage, my biggest problem with Holmes/Adler is that it's just so overdone. It's out of character and it's a misreading and all those things - but worst of all, it's done every single time. Every adaptation of SCAN that I've seen has implied that Holmes fell in love with Adler, and the Ritchie 'verse is the worst of the lot. If it had just been done once - and done well, that'd be nice too - then I probably wouldn't have such a problem with it. But good god, as it is, I'm just so intensely sick of it. I want my epic female BAMF - such a rare breed in the Holmes verse - to be more than a love interest!
Also, AGREED. To everything you said. In the trailer for A Game of Shadows, Holmes appears to be kissing the new female lead. I might have had a minor aneurysm when I saw that. Why do you feel the need to give him a romantic subplot?! He's Sherlock Holmes, for christ's sake! The whole point is that he doesn't have romantic subplots! (Except with Watson.)
If it had just been done once - and done well, that'd be nice too - then I probably wouldn't have such a problem with it.
Right. I haven't thought of that before, but now that you're putting it like that,... Yes. I think, that's my problem, too. But I think, I have an even bigger problem with the assumption that Holmes is REALLY romantically interested in Irene Adler AT ALL. I've never understood how someone could come up with this after having read SCAN. I mean, I actually re-read it and couldn't find ANY clue that Holmes would be more than professionally interested in her. Intrigued or fascinated, maybe, because she managed to outsmart him, but romance? No hint of that at all.
Also, AGREED. To everything you said. In the trailer for A Game of Shadows, Holmes appears to be kissing the new female lead. I might have had a minor aneurysm when I saw that.
You and me both, hon. :( I guess it won't take them long to make Holmes not only Action!Holmes but also Casanova!Holmes - which is just WRONG on so many levels.
Agreed. I mean, it's even explicitly said - He. Did. Not. Love. Her. I mean, there are a whole lot of things that could be read as sort of implying that there was something there - I mean, "there was but one woman to him". *significant look* But only out of context do they seem as if they're implying a romantic or sexual attraction. When you read the rest of what Watson says, he's quite emphatic - Holmes doesn't care for the softer emotions, he doesn't love; (and yet, we find him constantly expressing emotion toward Watson); we're told time and again throughout the stories how much Holmes dislikes and distruts women; and it's quite clear that, though Adler "eclipses and predominates the whole of her sex" in Holmes' eyes, it's only because of her cunning, her skill - her mind, as a criminal and as someone who has beaten Holmes. He asks for her picture not as some romantic gesture to remember the gorgeous face of the only woman he ever fell in love with, but because she beat him, and that's a big deal. He keeps the photographs of famous
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I mean, "there was but one woman to him". *significant look* But only out of context do they seem as if they're implying a romantic or sexual attraction.
That's exactly what I mean! I can't understand how people could create a Holmes/Adler love story out of that. They knew the context, after all! But again, obviously there can't be a movie without a romance. And that's what's pissing me off to no end. Plus, they could totally write their fucking romance for a Holmes movie with Watson! He WAS married, after all! (Twice? If I remember correctly. Though, of course, he was only REALLY married to Holmes.) There's really no need to drag Holmes into it!
He asks for her picture not as some romantic gesture to remember the gorgeous face of the only woman he ever fell in love with, but because she beat him, and that's a big deal. He keeps the photographs of famous criminals on his walls, does that mean he fell in love with each of them, as well? /rant
Not only is the story absolutely lovely, I can also perfectly hear their voices in my head.
I didn't know anyone knew that TV show but me! I mean, I was sure that somebody must've watched it, too, back then, but since I've never seen it mentioned anywhere, I just thought people had forgotten all about it. Which made me a little sad, because I loved that show to pieces and Whitehead and Pickering are my favourite Holmes and Watson right after (sorry ;) RDJ und Jude Law.
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It is pretty wonderful, isn't it? Someone uploaded it all to YouTube, and I am ridiculously grateful to them for that, otherwise I'd never have seen it. I could pick a million tiny holes in it (must you include the blasted deerstalker? *sigh*), but really, it's too good to hate for little things like Holmes' hair colour or nose shape ( ... )
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None of this stops me hating it.
(Seriously, I have such a grudge where Irene Adler is concerned. I worry so much about Moffat and the second series of Sherlock, it's not even funny. D ( ... )
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I know what you mean. Same here. A friend of mine actually discussed at length, why it is that I'm hating the whole Holmes-Adler-"romance" so much. In the end I couldn't have cared less. The why doesn't really matter to me anyway. I hate it and that's reason enough for me.
Plus, I hate the whole Hollywood movie rule thing, that in every movie must be a romance. To quote myself again: Why do we need a female love interest for Holmes, anyway? I read all the books and never once was Holmes even remotely interested in a woman! Not even in Irene fucking Adler! Not romantically and/or sexually, anyway. Why do they always have to force such a horrible, unfitting and totally unnecessary romance on us??? Why does every healthy, single male on screen have to fall in love with some stupid woman??? Couldn’t they just have left Holmes be the loner (except for Watson) he’s always been in the books? Christ! Romance in movies is so fucking overrated! /quote
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Also, AGREED. To everything you said. In the trailer for A Game of Shadows, Holmes appears to be kissing the new female lead. I might have had a minor aneurysm when I saw that. Why do you feel the need to give him a romantic subplot?! He's Sherlock Holmes, for christ's sake! The whole point is that he doesn't have romantic subplots! (Except with Watson.)
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Right. I haven't thought of that before, but now that you're putting it like that,... Yes. I think, that's my problem, too. But I think, I have an even bigger problem with the assumption that Holmes is REALLY romantically interested in Irene Adler AT ALL. I've never understood how someone could come up with this after having read SCAN. I mean, I actually re-read it and couldn't find ANY clue that Holmes would be more than professionally interested in her. Intrigued or fascinated, maybe, because she managed to outsmart him, but romance? No hint of that at all.
Also, AGREED. To everything you said. In the trailer for A Game of Shadows, Holmes appears to be kissing the new female lead. I might have had a minor aneurysm when I saw that.
You and me both, hon. :( I guess it won't take them long to make Holmes not only Action!Holmes but also Casanova!Holmes - which is just WRONG on so many levels.
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That's exactly what I mean! I can't understand how people could create a Holmes/Adler love story out of that. They knew the context, after all! But again, obviously there can't be a movie without a romance. And that's what's pissing me off to no end. Plus, they could totally write their fucking romance for a Holmes movie with Watson! He WAS married, after all! (Twice? If I remember correctly. Though, of course, he was only REALLY married to Holmes.) There's really no need to drag Holmes into it!
He asks for her picture not as some romantic gesture to remember the gorgeous face of the only woman he ever fell in love with, but because she beat him, and that's a big deal. He keeps the photographs of famous criminals on his walls, does that mean he fell in love with each of them, as well? /rant
I can't tell you how much I agree with that!
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