Re: Reply, part one acandogirlApril 13 2007, 00:14:55 UTC
Sorry that last bit should have read:
I had thought so until 2.07, too, but 2.07 did a very thorough job of showing us that 2007 is really just a cold, grey-blue, lifeless place full of soulless automatons, with the possible exception of his mum. They *could* have portrayed 2007 in a different way; they could have showed us the conflict. They chose not to…there was a lot of love to be felt in the communications from the present that we heard this series, and a palpable sense of loss very often - except in 2.07 where suddenly 2007 is completely dead.
I agree wholeheartedly with this. I was expecting someone to show up on that rooftop to try and stop him. They were definitely showing us that someone in 1973 noticed he was on the roof but in 2007 no one did. It wasn’t fair that we didn’t get Maya or more of his mother. I thought it was interesting that his mother inadvertently gives him permission to go. She validates his need to keep his promises instead of telling him that those were promises he made to imaginary people. Annie (who in the end is the wrong person to listen to, she’s quite the villain really) makes every effort to make him believe in his surroundings. He has no one telling him that 2007 is real. As for the blue-grey coloring, well I thought it was more about how he saw it than how it was. He feels lifeless in this place.
Re: Reply, part one ahmpfApril 15 2007, 12:59:00 UTC
>She validates his need to keep his promises instead of telling him that those were promises he made to imaginary people.
I don't think she knew what he was talking about. I don't believe he told her about 1973. I'm pretty sure that if he'd actually told her, she would *not* have affirmed his need to keep that promise.
>Annie (who in the end is the wrong person to listen to, she’s quite the villain really)
Heh, glad you agree with me! I've felt from the first there was something sinister about her - she was the one who kept trying to convince him that 1973 was real and that he should stay, after all. Back when we were trying to discover meaning in names people kept identifying her as 'anima', but maybe she's 'annihilation'...
(I actually sort of like the Sam/Annie ship, but I've always felt there was this weird, unhealthy edge to it.)
Re: Reply, part one acandogirlApril 15 2007, 18:59:29 UTC
I don't think she knew what he was talking about. I don't believe he told her about 1973. I'm pretty sure that if he'd actually told her, she would *not* have affirmed his need to keep that promise.
Agreed. I meant it was interesting that the writers chose to keep her in the dark. Maybe interesting isn't what I mean. It's more like, I thought it was curious that the ending wasn't balanced between the two worlds. I thought we should have had someone up on that roof trying to stop him (Maya), or that his mom should have been more, "You didn't go somewhere, you were in a coma. You don't owe anyone anything." I was trying to say that I agree they were sloppy with their storytelling there. If there were people telling him to stay, it would have made his struggle more difficult and his decision even darker.
(I actually sort of like the Sam/Annie ship, but I've always felt there was this weird, unhealthy edge to it.) I like Sam/Annie too, but aside from the fact that she repeatedly keeps him in 1973, it's strange to ship Sam/his own mind. Anyway you ship Sam it's a little bent, because it just means that Sam is in love with himself.
I like that she's a very dark character wrapped up in a golden package.
I had thought so until 2.07, too, but 2.07 did a very thorough job of showing us that 2007 is really just a cold, grey-blue, lifeless place full of soulless automatons, with the possible exception of his mum. They *could* have portrayed 2007 in a different way; they could have showed us the conflict. They chose not to…there was a lot of love to be felt in the communications from the present that we heard this series, and a palpable sense of loss very often - except in 2.07 where suddenly 2007 is completely dead.
I agree wholeheartedly with this. I was expecting someone to show up on that rooftop to try and stop him. They were definitely showing us that someone in 1973 noticed he was on the roof but in 2007 no one did. It wasn’t fair that we didn’t get Maya or more of his mother. I thought it was interesting that his mother inadvertently gives him permission to go. She validates his need to keep his promises instead of telling him that those were promises he made to imaginary people. Annie (who in the end is the wrong person to listen to, she’s quite the villain really) makes every effort to make him believe in his surroundings. He has no one telling him that 2007 is real. As for the blue-grey coloring, well I thought it was more about how he saw it than how it was. He feels lifeless in this place.
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I don't think she knew what he was talking about. I don't believe he told her about 1973. I'm pretty sure that if he'd actually told her, she would *not* have affirmed his need to keep that promise.
>Annie (who in the end is the wrong person to listen to, she’s quite the villain really)
Heh, glad you agree with me! I've felt from the first there was something sinister about her - she was the one who kept trying to convince him that 1973 was real and that he should stay, after all. Back when we were trying to discover meaning in names people kept identifying her as 'anima', but maybe she's 'annihilation'...
(I actually sort of like the Sam/Annie ship, but I've always felt there was this weird, unhealthy edge to it.)
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Agreed. I meant it was interesting that the writers chose to keep her in the dark. Maybe interesting isn't what I mean. It's more like, I thought it was curious that the ending wasn't balanced between the two worlds. I thought we should have had someone up on that roof trying to stop him (Maya), or that his mom should have been more, "You didn't go somewhere, you were in a coma. You don't owe anyone anything." I was trying to say that I agree they were sloppy with their storytelling there. If there were people telling him to stay, it would have made his struggle more difficult and his decision even darker.
(I actually sort of like the Sam/Annie ship, but I've always felt there was this weird, unhealthy edge to it.)
I like Sam/Annie too, but aside from the fact that she repeatedly keeps him in 1973, it's strange to ship Sam/his own mind. Anyway you ship Sam it's a little bent, because it just means that Sam is in love with himself.
I like that she's a very dark character wrapped up in a golden package.
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