You know, I agree with you on many levels, but ultimately --- I don't have the same (dis)regard for fan fiction as you do.
I believe it was Joss Whedon who said "you don't give the audience what they want, you give them what they need" - and Matthew didn't do that. It was very, very cheeky of him. And as you said, narratively, it was suspect. Very suspect.
Have I ever told you I'm a morally suspect person?
Oh, don't get me wrong - I love fanfic.hmpfApril 12 2007, 01:11:56 UTC
I could write you an entire 1800-words declaration of love for fanfic here, on the spot, if I weren't drop-dead tired and about to leave for a holiday.
I just don't want fanfic logic in my canon. (Actually... there's even only so much fanfic logic I'm willing to bear in fanfic - wishfulfilment is nice, but it has to be *really* well motivated within the story to work for me. I guess I'm a bourgeois really - I want my bourgeois art to follow nice, established bourgeois rules of how it all should develop and end.
I guess it all comes down to different tastes, different emotions. Nothing to be done about that. It reminds me of the shipping going on in most fandoms. I never 'got' what that was about, either. I mean, there are some ships I sort of like - Sirius/Remus, Maya/Sam, John/Aeryn - but it's never been something I could focus exclusively on. So, the kind of happy fluffy shippy fic that is just about the joy of people being together never did a thing for me. I only like ships if they offer opportunities to look at angst from two different angles. *g*
Fandom's all about emotional fetishes or something like that, anyway - mine are just a bit unusual in that they are so very compatible (or even identical) with elements of 'bourgeois narrative logic'. ;-)
Re: Yeah, I know. :-)stabbimApril 12 2007, 18:46:53 UTC
This episode goes down every single road it can as quickly as possible, which is the wrong way to do it (IMO - I've never yet produced anything like Life on Mars, so I suppose my opinion counts for shit)
I agree with you, lm_jillybean and I also agree with you, Hmpf. The ep's message was all wrong: If you don't feel alive, kill yourself, that's the way to do it. You'll be able to save Gene Hunt in your afterlife and he'll forgive you for trying to double-cross him. And yeah, Annie will love you, too.
If they operated on him, why wasn't his head shaved? Maybe it was all a dream and he never woke up in 2006.
I'm all for weird endings, I cried when Quantum Leap ended and thought the ep was unusual, but it was consitant. LOM was not.
Now I'm kind of glad that series 2 didn't work as well for me as series 1 (I really liked eps 2.06 and 2.07, though). If I had been as thrilled about series 2, I would be seriously disappointed now. The more I think about the ending, the more annoyed I get
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Re: Yeah, I know. :-)hmpfApril 12 2007, 22:19:58 UTC
>Seriously, Matthew Graham, WTF? What kind of message was that? Hope no-one jumps off a building to quench his unhappiness with the ending.
Naah, everybody loves the ending. And the people who don't mostly seem to dislike it at least partly because they see a fundamental problem with suicide, so... I think we're safe from a Werther-like wave of tv-inspired suicides. *g*
I had a feeling you'd be with me on this.
I also thought series two was uneven, but I was willing to wait and see, hoping that the last episode would kind of make sense of it all. Unfortunately the final episode rather makes nonsense of it all...
BTW - you're a medical student (or already a doctor) aren't you? What's your specialty? I need a medical beta and someone who's brain I can pick because I'm going to be nasty to Sam in fic now. I've just lost all my scruples. *eg*
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You know, I agree with you on many levels, but ultimately --- I don't have the same (dis)regard for fan fiction as you do.
I believe it was Joss Whedon who said "you don't give the audience what they want, you give them what they need" - and Matthew didn't do that. It was very, very cheeky of him. And as you said, narratively, it was suspect. Very suspect.
Have I ever told you I'm a morally suspect person?
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I just don't want fanfic logic in my canon. (Actually... there's even only so much fanfic logic I'm willing to bear in fanfic - wishfulfilment is nice, but it has to be *really* well motivated within the story to work for me. I guess I'm a bourgeois really - I want my bourgeois art to follow nice, established bourgeois rules of how it all should develop and end.
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I also wrote the alternative one, as you know.
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Fandom's all about emotional fetishes or something like that, anyway - mine are just a bit unusual in that they are so very compatible (or even identical) with elements of 'bourgeois narrative logic'. ;-)
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I agree with you, lm_jillybean and I also agree with you, Hmpf. The ep's message was all wrong: If you don't feel alive, kill yourself, that's the way to do it. You'll be able to save Gene Hunt in your afterlife and he'll forgive you for trying to double-cross him. And yeah, Annie will love you, too.
If they operated on him, why wasn't his head shaved? Maybe it was all a dream and he never woke up in 2006.
I'm all for weird endings, I cried when Quantum Leap ended and thought the ep was unusual, but it was consitant. LOM was not.
Now I'm kind of glad that series 2 didn't work as well for me as series 1 (I really liked eps 2.06 and 2.07, though). If I had been as thrilled about series 2, I would be seriously disappointed now. The more I think about the ending, the more annoyed I get ( ... )
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Naah, everybody loves the ending. And the people who don't mostly seem to dislike it at least partly because they see a fundamental problem with suicide, so... I think we're safe from a Werther-like wave of tv-inspired suicides. *g*
I had a feeling you'd be with me on this.
I also thought series two was uneven, but I was willing to wait and see, hoping that the last episode would kind of make sense of it all. Unfortunately the final episode rather makes nonsense of it all...
BTW - you're a medical student (or already a doctor) aren't you? What's your specialty? I need a medical beta and someone who's brain I can pick because I'm going to be nasty to Sam in fic now. I've just lost all my scruples. *eg*
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