Concrit Post 16

May 22, 2010 06:44

How's My Driving?
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angelfood_cake May 23 2010, 22:53:23 UTC
Journal-hopping, I apologize.

The style of tagging thing makes sense. I got ... really sucked into prose tags with Damned so I'm becoming kind of inclined to swap midway through in SWS threads because it's easier for me to stay focused in prose threads than it is in commentspam often times. So yeah, that I can understand, and if there's anyway you could help me facilitate your style of threading I'd be happy to try it out with you or something. And I actually ... tag outside of BNW pretty often, lmao, I just rarely know who to tag you with like i.e., human Darla, because she's ... from back in ze day and I don't play characters in that time period, and I don't play Buffy characters.

Speaking of! Re: the characters you'd like to play being taken, I was going to suggest you ... pick Cordy up in BNW because I'm shit with her and I'm getting nowhere in watching Angel, especially now that I'm distracted with watching Veronica Mars. If you're interested, that is. Shana/etc. definitely deserve a more active one sobs.

I understand being burned out on Trek, I'm rather burned out on it as well bc of some DDD shit so it's hard for me to ... get Jim going. It kind of hurts that you just wanted into the verse for an in with the players, but I guess I understand that. :C

As for not being "in BNW enough" I'd actually really like to address that. BNW is a verse where you get out of it what you put in. We all stalk each other's threads, even when we're not involved, and that's where a lot of the dick-sucking comes in because even when we're not threading with the people, we like playing with them so much that we're reading it anyway and we're able to remain actively involved in it by ... commenting in chat in regards to it. You've tried posting a couple times but I've never really seen you trying to comment to other people's BNW posts so that might be why you're feeling the disconnect? It's really a verse that's ... what you make of it.

There are a lot of people who are fine with not being wholly in it so they only comment around to specific people and only expect those specific people to reply when they post, but when you're not commenting to other posts or dropping threads, it's not exactly easy to get and maintain CR which is what's required to ... really get inundated in the verse. You're not the only one feeling this, though, so I really want to ... PSA this fact in the comm, IDK. I appreciate you coming forward with the feelings, though, I wish you would have said so sooner so we could have tried to make you feel more welcome, though. If you only got into it in the first place for playing with the sane people instead of playing in the verse itself, though, that might be why you're not wholly invested in it and therefore why it's reflecting in your ability to make and hold CR.

I have to disagree on the verse coming before having fun thing, though, because the verse is just ... where we have the most fun and we (the mods, i'm including myself since i... might as well be one since i started the verse too rofl) try to maintain certain things to keep EVERYONE having fun, of course, which can seem limiting in other areas but ... idk that's the kind of thing I'd ask you to talk to me over IM about and further expand on?

hrnnn i hope most of that ... made sense. i have a headache i'm sorry. ;;

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whomever May 23 2010, 23:20:05 UTC
That and I don't make a whole ton of posts to SWS, so I can understand that. And... Darla isn't from the past, actually, she's from season two of Angel, between 2.01 and 2.09. And you're always free to tag ATS/BtVS characters with non-Buffyverse characters - I don't know if that's what you mean by saying you don't play Buffy characters but, yeah. And on the Cordy front, you're not shit with her but I can so relate on getting nowhere watching a show.

Oh, Tifa, I didn't mean it like that. I didn't want an "in" with anyone, all I wanted was to play with people I knew I could trust and like, which includes you. Yes, I wanted to be part of a group, because all my previous SWS experience has been mostly unfulfilling drifting around, but I only wanted it so much as anyone wants an anchor and someplace to feel not just tolerated but welcome. If I made it sound like it was about being one of the cool kids or something, that's not what I meant, and it's just not how I operate.

And yes I understand you get what you put into it, hence my accepting blame for that. I am at least half the problem and I acknowledge this, but I don't think I'm all of it, and that's all I'm saying. And it's not even really BNW that I'm talking about because I know you guys have a lot of fun in it, and I think that's honestly really great. It's not about the verse itself, and I admit I didn't make it very clear that I was kind of distancing myself from discussing the matter of CR to just discussing how I feel about it, but it's the attitudes around it. If you're not the official something or other, it feels like your interpretation is somehow less valid, and things like that in turn lead me to not want to make or mention threads/posts of mine. I understand that with a group as big as BNW a certain degree of alienation with your character is pretty much unavoidable but I also don't think it's all something can be written off purely as "you get what you put into it" because not only does my motivation affect the verse, the verse affects my motivation.

I'm not pointing fingers or expecting anything to be done, I just want my perspective on this to be clear. Because I've been in other large verses - some of them have had negative aspects, and some of them haven't. My point is that I think no matter how much you participate ICly, OOCly feeling awkward or invalidated is completely avoidable.

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angelfood_cake May 23 2010, 23:33:12 UTC
Oh! I thought she was ... way back in the day human!Darla, I forgot she had a human stint even though I've ... seen that part of the series IDK where my brain was. And yeah I ... know I can tag them with other people, but finding things to say to them is hard when you're not playing a Whedonverse character, which is what I meant by not playing those characters.

;; Okay I just ... am an ukechan and took that the wrong way. ♥

I'm going to ... italicize stuff to make it clear what I'm talking about here because this is a big paragraph.

If you're not the official something or other, it feels like your interpretation is somehow less valid, and things like that in turn lead me to not want to make or mention threads/posts of mine.

I'm sorry that you feel like thiiiiis. ;; I admit I sometimes feel like that (I was worried about linking my Bela post in Dear_mun since Katie is our Bela, for example) but honestly everyone ... really respects each other's takes on the characters. Like, continuing my Katie example, we both play Elle and we acknowledge that we play her differently but we still discuss the differences and understand that they're both IC and valid interpretations. IDK, does that make sense? I just ... if you try to break out of your comfort zone and overcome that fear, we won't disappoint you, I promise.

a group as big as BNW a certain degree of alienation with your character is pretty much unavoidable [...] feeling awkward or invalidated is completely avoidable.

I just ... really don't think you'd feel awkward or invalidated if you'd comment to more posts. We all seem to have huge CR with each other which can be intimidating but it didn't happen overnight, it happened because we tagged EVERYTHING and it's been months and months and months of ... putting everything into it. Even I feel awkward at times and then I realize I'm not commenting around as much as I should and I tag more posts and then I'm like oh right I can ... build new CR if everyone I'm doing current CR with is busy in other plots. There are huge lists of SWS posts made every week full of things you can comment on and build into and I haven't seen you in any of them. I understand that you feel awkward, but that's how it is at first in any RP and I haven't seen the effort put forth to change that so I really ... don't see the blame being put on BNW for that. I understand that the RP's large and intimidating, but it's full of people who are happy to get CR with you if you give as well as take.

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whomever May 24 2010, 00:35:03 UTC
Again, it's not BNW itself, but it's, uh... difficult to explain. And not really worth getting into too in-depth. By that I mean that it doesn't really plague me constantly, it's just a concern and since this is the place for airing those, I thought it would be prudent. For the most part though I'm not involved in BNW enough for my experience to feel particularly lacking; it's only one facet of my RP life, and I do love it for introducing me to a lot of great people, but I'm definitely a casual participator at my very best and I'm pretty much okay with that. ♥

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