H50 Meta: Bare feet and lifestyle choices

Feb 29, 2012 10:53

I've been thinking about the end scene of Lekio (2.18) a lot since Monday night ( Read more... )

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verasteine February 29 2012, 17:43:59 UTC
This is interesting. There is a lot of gay subtext in this show; it's harder to see whether that is intentional subtext or accidental subtext. I wasn't a fan of the scene you are talking about (I know, I must be the only one in fandom) because it didn't work for me, but moments like it occur frequently in this show.

It actually makes me happy (but I definitely concede YMMV) that there are no open references to LGBT/LGBT characters because it saves the writers from having to take a stand one way or another. As a show that feels remarkably safe for me as a woman, and relatively better with race and gender than most (that is not saying they are good!), I like this kind of Chinese Wall insulation, although I know it's problematic in its own right. For a show marketing itself at conservative men, it's easy to watch for a liberal woman.

"Lifestyle choice" is associated with some (US) gay rights dialogue, but not exclusively so. It's also associated with pro-life dialogue, for instance. That said, I hear you, and it's an interesting

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hllangel February 29 2012, 17:54:35 UTC
I don't think I'd be as bothered by the lack of queer characters if we didn't every so often get episodes like the Valentines Day one where we are reminded so forcefully that every. single. character. is straight. (Steve and Catherine, Danny mentions gabby for the first time in months, Lori and her unrequited love for Steve, Chin and Malia. the only one exempt from having an actual significant other is Kono, but she's still giving advice to Chin about how to behave with Malia on valentines day ( ... )

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verasteine February 29 2012, 18:11:43 UTC
I do agree that the show is heterosexist, less so than other shows, but yes, absolutely. And that is annoying, but also unavoidable (it would be off the air if it weren't.) Not a good deal, I know, but a realistic one ( ... )

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cmariad February 29 2012, 19:47:44 UTC
With respect, I'm not sure where you get that Danny is canonically Atheist. Granted, he's not shown actively going to Church or Temple, & it hasn't been stated what religion the character is supposed to be or whether he actively practices that religion or not, but there also was the scene in Powa Maka Moana where Danny got down on his knees, with his hands clasped as if praying & he looked up at the sky & asked "Why?", like he was asking God.

He did that after Steve used the hand grenade to open the door to the clerk's office/room in Lono's Pawn Shop because they were trying to interrogate the guy about the rich kids' kidnapping from the party/tour boat & he wouldn't let them go into that room to investigate/interrogate him. I'm not sure that bit of scene business means we're supposed to think Danny is an Atheist.

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hllangel February 29 2012, 19:51:41 UTC
It was in the halloween episode this year (I"m terrible at remembering the actual episode names). There's an entire cargument dedicated to Danny being atheist and Steve not quite understanding it.

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cmariad February 29 2012, 21:10:57 UTC
OK. I didn't miss the cargument, or the ep, but I somehow forgot they'd discussed that in it. My apologies. I stand corrected.

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verasteine February 29 2012, 20:15:32 UTC
With respect, it is canon in episode 2.07, about 10 minutes in. I'm pretty sure that Danny saying it out loud counts.

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cmariad February 29 2012, 21:11:17 UTC
OK. I didn't miss the cargument, or the ep, but I somehow forgot they'd discussed that in it. My apologies. I stand corrected.

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kristen999 February 29 2012, 23:01:13 UTC
I've never understood why being pro-military, pro-support of our hard working men and women in the armed forces is seen as conservative? I'm liberal. My best friends are gay and I work an organic food's co-op and and I whole hardly support our troops--doesn't mean I'm pro-war. It is always disheartening to see the two lumped together. *sad face*

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hllangel February 29 2012, 23:07:30 UTC
I'm about as liberal as they come. I definitely support the troops.

What I'm talking about is the glorification of military action, such as at the end of (I want to say 2.03), where they just get to watch in awe while a SEAL team swoops in somewhere and takes out dozens of people from the cartel. That's what I read as conservative, not support for the troops, but the WAY we use our military, to go out and enforce our law and our ideals on others.

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eumelia February 29 2012, 23:20:02 UTC
Sorry for butting in but this:

the glorification of military action, such as at the end of (I want to say 2.03), where they just get to watch in awe while a SEAL team swoops in somewhere and takes out dozens of people from the cartel. That's what I read as conservative,

Really couldn't agree more.

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kristen999 March 1 2012, 01:36:26 UTC
I know that ending was controversial, it doesn't help that they gave the operation a really stupid name like "Payback", *rolls eyes* but I felt the whole thing was an interesting way to show the team the types of missions that Steve might have taken part of. I get your point about the glorification of US military action overseas. Totally. In this instance,I didn't feel that way. Which is fine. Difference of opinion is the spice of life :D I personally didn’t feel bad about a drug carter being taken out for murdering SEAL members, but I understand why others would not find that all right. It's all good :D

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