[OOC] Characterization gripes+contact thread
This is here for the benefit of improving my characterization of Integral Fairbrook Wingates Hellsing presented version being post manga (tanko 10).
What is this for?
♥ To contact me for something characterization wise you believe iffy and are afraid to tell me so over AIM (Larisa Thessaly) or email (thess.fan.of.hellsing@gmail). Anon or signed up. Comments are to be screened. I'll know and if you want a reply, I'll try to give you that (and unscreened if you want me to). OOCness, stagnant development, inconsistency, unfair info modding, probable godmodding, etc, etc. None of this are done in purpose, but I'm human and I can easily make stupid mistakes. Want to fix them up.
♥ Rl vored me and I'm unable to thread/be active/get you back for a plot! Too of that AIM is just being an ass too. So this will be a message center and heads up! Link me any important stuff I missed.
♥ Cookies?
Anticipating the WRY vampire!Integra reactions. I can write pages-long essays, but I'm going to keep this clear and short, if anyone STILL has questions, you can ask moar.
► Integra, in v1 and v2, specifies that the process of making a new vampire is of a Dracul or Draculina sucking the blood of a virgin of the opposite gender. No biting or something else. When Integra employs that verb: sucking (吸), she's not indicating harmless feeding as with lick or drink (see v4 with Seras Victoria), but a transformation from human to ghoul or vampire or to vampire to True Nosferatu (Seras' case in v7). She once again employs this verb: blood-sucking to explain Seras how vampires get lives in v8. So the only canonical stated stuff about undead transformation of any kind implies blood-sucking (or blood-inhaling whatever you prefer as translation).
► Integra, in the last chapter of the manga, asks Alucard literally (none pretty-ed translation to make it sound better) if he had considered to suck (吸) blood, her blood. Then before she bites her ring finger and offers it to Alucard, she wonders about her age and Alucard reassures her. Wow. I wonder what was THAT for? /sarcasm. This was after a series of incidents with Seras hinting Integra wants Alucard to suck her blood (which she reacts in a typical tsundere in flustered denial way) and Alucard going to suck her blood while she sleeps (and she shoots him down but that was before she knew who he was, and before he explains what took him so long and to apologize to her). It was all set up, sry2say.
► "Biting" isn't decisive of changing in Hellsing Manga, probably it gives symbolic control-domain (hence why Integra bites herself rather), the choice is purely philosophical/spiritual and none connected to anything biological. It's blood sucking that changes people. The ghoul/souls/lives Alucard gets within him? He doesn't necessary bite them, but he does suck their blood as Integra stated in v8. Dracula novel is even more frustrating with ground rules, because Lucy's kiss could have turn Holmwood but direct biting/bloodsucking from the Three Sisters didn't do anything to Harker. So I'm sticking to Hellsing canon stated process, whenever blood-sucking is mentioned: people change. Last chapter is no exception.
► IMO, canon wise, Integra would keep her advanced age because she turns despite her age, not because she wants eternal youth like all the traitors. What makes people monsters is that, greed, search of destruction, fear of death, IMO, lesser degree will of survival. Then obviously, the choice out of love of affection (like Pip's and, IMO, Integra's) will exclude them immediately. Anyway, despite this, in Poly, she'll automatically recover her youth against her expectations for a simple practical gameplay reason: I have only four icons with old!Integra. ._. She will alternative shapeshift from old, young, eye-patched at will eventually.
► Her character growth, aside of being a better leader, was to understand humans, vampires, robots, whatever you are, doesn't make you a monster, like being human doesn't make you a man. Since she was 12 years old, by meeting Alucard (someone she NEVER regarded as monster) since she was saved by him and persecuted by her uncle, she had been slowly discrediting Arthur's teachings. By the end of the war, no only she kills humans as vampires without batting an eyelash (unthinkable in v3 and 4 where she's in doubts), but also comes to an understanding of Alucard, Major and the reality around her, standing on her two feet. No longer she speaks of vampirism as a curse, but rather explains the process to Seras in a very neutral and practical way (contrasting Schrödinger's comment and Anderson who called her a monster). Fandom, and often I was to blame as well, usually believes she still has the mentality of a 10-11 years old raised by daddy to believe what he wants. Missing the Point tv trope, IMHO.
► Integra atm doesn't give a lot of thought about her family name and bloodline as her fanon conception makes her. Case one, she never married or had babies (you don't need to marry for that) in canon and, case two, she flat out said this was no longer the era of power controlled by old family lines. Period. She's anti-Arthur and not her "father's daughter" in the Manga. Arthur was the one who insisted in his pride of the noble Hellsing blood flowing in her veins in his death bed. I'm not going to be fanon compliant because that's now OOC, but rather canon compliant. I admit of having portrayed fanon!Integra once.
► She doesn't hate humans, in fact, trains half of the Round Table to fill her shoes, she still loves her country, however she gets along in a personal sense with the undead rather than the living. Seras is her servant, Pip is her security system, Alucard is her Count, the only man she ever felt anything romantic for. She has been detached from the living since her father's and Penwood's death, plus Walter's and Richard's betrayals.
► To her a "monster" is someone "without a single human quality (or humanity)" in them. People who enjoy battle as something other than duty. Such as the Major. Nothing specifically about the supernatural anymore and doesn't have to do with the one soul-stuff.
► She looks down to those who give into vampirism or anything speshful because they fear age, death or want power or to fight. However, she doesn't believe is so bad if they are agonizing (she has never judged Seras or Alucard for their choices) and furthermore, she doesn't believe is bad at all if you do it for the sake of your loved ones. "What are you fighting for?" question strikes a chord in the whole Hellsing series, Integra included. The circumstances of her coming to turn were after she ended to fight, despite of her appearance, and not because she fears death (she accepted this), instead, IMO, to simply with her loved ones for a longer time. 'Tis all.
► AxI is canon and their relationship will be awkwardly explored (Integra does still feel a lingering bitterness for having to wait for so long). You don't break Penelope's record in patience to wait for a man and you don't fight against millions of souls to return to a woman's bedroom in a chapter called Romancia and they end up calling them Count/Countess because they are just good buddies. Besides, ring-finger. Rly subtle. Also, see icon. Although mun is a fan of IxS and AAxA as well.
Vampirism IC progression:
º Arrival (after first blood sucking. See last chapter).
º Second blood sucking.
º Convalescence. Period with short online visits from her.
º Third session. Integra sucks Alucard's blood at death's door and disappears from her bed and the City for a day.
º Return from the death/math land as full-fledged vampire.
º Profit!
What is this for?
♥ To contact me for something characterization wise you believe iffy and are afraid to tell me so over AIM (Larisa Thessaly) or email (thess.fan.of.hellsing@gmail). Anon or signed up. Comments are to be screened. I'll know and if you want a reply, I'll try to give you that (and unscreened if you want me to). OOCness, stagnant development, inconsistency, unfair info modding, probable godmodding, etc, etc. None of this are done in purpose, but I'm human and I can easily make stupid mistakes. Want to fix them up.
♥ Rl vored me and I'm unable to thread/be active/get you back for a plot! Too of that AIM is just being an ass too. So this will be a message center and heads up! Link me any important stuff I missed.
♥ Cookies?
Anticipating the WRY vampire!Integra reactions. I can write pages-long essays, but I'm going to keep this clear and short, if anyone STILL has questions, you can ask moar.
► Integra, in v1 and v2, specifies that the process of making a new vampire is of a Dracul or Draculina sucking the blood of a virgin of the opposite gender. No biting or something else. When Integra employs that verb: sucking (吸), she's not indicating harmless feeding as with lick or drink (see v4 with Seras Victoria), but a transformation from human to ghoul or vampire or to vampire to True Nosferatu (Seras' case in v7). She once again employs this verb: blood-sucking to explain Seras how vampires get lives in v8. So the only canonical stated stuff about undead transformation of any kind implies blood-sucking (or blood-inhaling whatever you prefer as translation).
► Integra, in the last chapter of the manga, asks Alucard literally (none pretty-ed translation to make it sound better) if he had considered to suck (吸) blood, her blood. Then before she bites her ring finger and offers it to Alucard, she wonders about her age and Alucard reassures her. Wow. I wonder what was THAT for? /sarcasm. This was after a series of incidents with Seras hinting Integra wants Alucard to suck her blood (which she reacts in a typical tsundere in flustered denial way) and Alucard going to suck her blood while she sleeps (and she shoots him down but that was before she knew who he was, and before he explains what took him so long and to apologize to her). It was all set up, sry2say.
► "Biting" isn't decisive of changing in Hellsing Manga, probably it gives symbolic control-domain (hence why Integra bites herself rather), the choice is purely philosophical/spiritual and none connected to anything biological. It's blood sucking that changes people. The ghoul/souls/lives Alucard gets within him? He doesn't necessary bite them, but he does suck their blood as Integra stated in v8. Dracula novel is even more frustrating with ground rules, because Lucy's kiss could have turn Holmwood but direct biting/bloodsucking from the Three Sisters didn't do anything to Harker. So I'm sticking to Hellsing canon stated process, whenever blood-sucking is mentioned: people change. Last chapter is no exception.
► IMO, canon wise, Integra would keep her advanced age because she turns despite her age, not because she wants eternal youth like all the traitors. What makes people monsters is that, greed, search of destruction, fear of death, IMO, lesser degree will of survival. Then obviously, the choice out of love of affection (like Pip's and, IMO, Integra's) will exclude them immediately. Anyway, despite this, in Poly, she'll automatically recover her youth against her expectations for a simple practical gameplay reason: I have only four icons with old!Integra. ._. She will alternative shapeshift from old, young, eye-patched at will eventually.
► Her character growth, aside of being a better leader, was to understand humans, vampires, robots, whatever you are, doesn't make you a monster, like being human doesn't make you a man. Since she was 12 years old, by meeting Alucard (someone she NEVER regarded as monster) since she was saved by him and persecuted by her uncle, she had been slowly discrediting Arthur's teachings. By the end of the war, no only she kills humans as vampires without batting an eyelash (unthinkable in v3 and 4 where she's in doubts), but also comes to an understanding of Alucard, Major and the reality around her, standing on her two feet. No longer she speaks of vampirism as a curse, but rather explains the process to Seras in a very neutral and practical way (contrasting Schrödinger's comment and Anderson who called her a monster). Fandom, and often I was to blame as well, usually believes she still has the mentality of a 10-11 years old raised by daddy to believe what he wants. Missing the Point tv trope, IMHO.
► Integra atm doesn't give a lot of thought about her family name and bloodline as her fanon conception makes her. Case one, she never married or had babies (you don't need to marry for that) in canon and, case two, she flat out said this was no longer the era of power controlled by old family lines. Period. She's anti-Arthur and not her "father's daughter" in the Manga. Arthur was the one who insisted in his pride of the noble Hellsing blood flowing in her veins in his death bed. I'm not going to be fanon compliant because that's now OOC, but rather canon compliant. I admit of having portrayed fanon!Integra once.
► She doesn't hate humans, in fact, trains half of the Round Table to fill her shoes, she still loves her country, however she gets along in a personal sense with the undead rather than the living. Seras is her servant, Pip is her security system, Alucard is her Count, the only man she ever felt anything romantic for. She has been detached from the living since her father's and Penwood's death, plus Walter's and Richard's betrayals.
► To her a "monster" is someone "without a single human quality (or humanity)" in them. People who enjoy battle as something other than duty. Such as the Major. Nothing specifically about the supernatural anymore and doesn't have to do with the one soul-stuff.
► She looks down to those who give into vampirism or anything speshful because they fear age, death or want power or to fight. However, she doesn't believe is so bad if they are agonizing (she has never judged Seras or Alucard for their choices) and furthermore, she doesn't believe is bad at all if you do it for the sake of your loved ones. "What are you fighting for?" question strikes a chord in the whole Hellsing series, Integra included. The circumstances of her coming to turn were after she ended to fight, despite of her appearance, and not because she fears death (she accepted this), instead, IMO, to simply with her loved ones for a longer time. 'Tis all.
► AxI is canon and their relationship will be awkwardly explored (Integra does still feel a lingering bitterness for having to wait for so long). You don't break Penelope's record in patience to wait for a man and you don't fight against millions of souls to return to a woman's bedroom in a chapter called Romancia and they end up calling them Count/Countess because they are just good buddies. Besides, ring-finger. Rly subtle. Also, see icon. Although mun is a fan of IxS and AAxA as well.
Vampirism IC progression:
º Arrival (after first blood sucking. See last chapter).
º Second blood sucking.
º Convalescence. Period with short online visits from her.
º Third session. Integra sucks Alucard's blood at death's door and disappears from her bed and the City for a day.
º Return from the death/math land as full-fledged vampire.
º Profit!