Long pier / short tree / angry mob of cooks playing sludge-rock

[hirez]

You ever get to that state where there are far too many half-formed thoughts steaming around in your head like bricks in a spin-dryer, and you're waiting for the first one to come leaping out the front in a hail of glass shards and builder's rubble

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[valkyriekaren]

The only people who think Janice Raymond is not a dangerous nutbar are Julie Bindel and her acolytes (who incidentally also direct their hate towards female bisexuals, as obviously being bi means we have a choice whether to sleep with men or women, and if we sleep with women we're traitors). rozk is the person to read on what this particular branch of radfem means for trans people, of course.

But yeah. The stuff you get excited about when you're young always seemed like it was so fresh and thrilling, even if it was the most derivative thing in the world, because you knew cock-all then. Same with politics - young people see things in black and white, them and us, and once you've seen a bit of the world, you find yourself laughing at their wide-eyed idealism or muttering cynically into your pint, "I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that."

[hirez]

Yes. I have been cheering on Roz (and Paris et al) from the sidelines of Twitter. Well, I say 'cheering'. I mean 'reading and thinking rather a lot'.

Absolutely. I was being drawn in to a political argument on the FB when one of the protagonists started banging on about 'well we believe that...' which meant that any further finger-action would be a complete waste of time.

[valkyriekaren]

of course, my post above should have read, "and if we sleep with men we're traitors", though clearly the converse makes about as much logical sense.

[hirez]

I read the (Guardian?) article in question so managed to flywheel over that bit...

Is it me, or does the whole notion of 'false consciousness' more or less deny any sort of agency?

[valkyriekaren]

At best it's suggesting that notions absorbed in early childhood can be so insidious that they subconsciously guide our conscious thoughts and actions. At worst, it's 'thinking things that we don't approve of'.

[jarkman]

I think you need the notion (or something that does the same) whenever you want to say that a whole bunch of other people are making the same mistake.

Why, for example, do so many Americans fear socialised healthcare ? It's easy to think of it as a giant collective misunderstanding, quite possibly one that has been cunningly wrought for purposes of profit. It doesn't mean that those people have no will of their own, only that they've made a mistake and we think we know why.