Okay, I saved yours for last because they were so long! I get a bit rambly in places, and I expect some of my answers to be taken out of context because I explained them poorly. Oh well! :) I tried my best, and if you feel that I haven’t answered a question fully, feel free to poke me rather hard.
1. Explain why you would be a better fit in each of the other houses moreso than Slytherin. (You can use canon or HiH examples or both.)
I’d go into traits, but I’ve done that in my application so I feel it would be redundant to go through it again.
And since I’ve answered this question last, I’m just going to reiterate what you are going to read later on.
Basically, I think I’ll fit in better anywhere that isn’t Slytherin because of the atmosphere. There traits that we sort by affect how people act, how they want to be perceived, and I happen to not agree with the way Slytherin (as a whole) acts to personify their traits. Individually, for the most part, I can say that I think the HiH Slytherins are pretty decent people. However, as a group, there was this mentality of ambition and cunning and general bitchiness that I did not like at all. I don’t think we should have to do that to be part of our house, and while I am probably biased as I don’t know what goes on within all the other common rooms group wise (I only know individual people), I see the traits of the other houses as having less negative connotations as the Slytheirn house, and therefore, the mentality won’t mess with my delicate feelings.
So in short, I get my feelings hurt easily, and the Slytherin group sort of stomps all over those?
2. Can you quantify what it is exactly that you think will make you "fit in" better in another house? I have a hard time buying that the people in HiH are really that different based on whatever house we stick them in. I do think the atmosphere in the houses may be a bit different. You seem to be saying you want to transfer BOTH because you don't see yourself as a canon snake AND you think you'd fit better elsewhere in HiH. Could you explain the latter? What makes you think the Claw or Gryff or Puff common room will make you feel more at home? (Please pick whichever one you think you will fit into best, or you can do more than one if you think anything would be better than Slytherin. 8D)
Not people aren’t different. It is how they act based off the fact that we stick them in a certain house. Those “qualities” that we associate with each house put pressure on people to act a certain way. Slytherins will act different as Slytherins than they would as Hufflepuffs because of those traits we associate.
I think that, due to the way I take things, my dramatic nature, and my ability to blow things out o proportion, means that I am more likely to feel safe and appreciated in a house where all the traits have these negative connotations. I mean, how many Slytherins associate the word bitch with being in that house? I’ve seen that a lot, and I don’t like that.
I mean, just to sue an example, that debate way back when where you and I really got into it? Yeah, that really upset me (not because you thought I was wrong, that’s the nature of debate.) and that is one of the reasons why I think I’m better suited to another house. I don’t think a true Slytherin-living up to canon traits-would have gotten upset over that. The only reason you didn’t know I was upset was because we were over the internet, and I never said anything about it, really.
I think the traits that influence how we behave as a whole house are important to how a person feels about that house. So it is not just which traits fit best, but also how those traits make people act around me or each other.
It is, basically, the atmosphere that is important to me. Does any of that crazy rambling make sense?
**Also, I said both because, while I don’t think I fit it, you are also required to sort based on canon, and I wanted to cover than too. I didn’t want my argument to be picked apart because I failed to address the canon issue.
I mean, just to sue an example, that debate way back when where you and I really got into it?
Before I get to anything else and follow up stuff... Whuh? 8DDD This is probably horrible of me, but I seriously have no idea what you're referring to or what we possibly could have debated. I've dug through my gmail comments from you hoping for clues and haven't hit upon anything. Refresh my memory? 8D
I don't mean to say I'm holding a grudge about it at all; I got over it pretty fast. The thing is that debate sort of hurt my feelings (probably for no good reason at all -_-;), and it is that sort of thing that gets to me. I'm just overly sensitive, I guess.
It is just the nature of Slytherin to go for the throat that I don't agree with and/or want to share in. At least, I'm pretty sure that's my point here.
Basically, I think I’ll fit in better anywhere that isn’t Slytherin because of the atmosphere.
1. But you've said elsewhere in these questions that you wouldn't fit in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff either. Do you think Gryffindor is the only house for you at this point?
2. You keep saying it's not the individuals in Slytherin that you don't like but the group and aura of bitchiness. Could you give some specific examples of what you don't like? You can be honest and specific, I don't think anyone will get their feelings hurt. XD (I won't, anyway.)
3. What makes you think things will be drastically different with the Gryffindors? Without turning this into a battle of which house is best and which has the most problems, I've heard lots of complaints about the atmosphere in the Gryff common room as well. Do you think this could just be a case of "grass is greener"? I don't mean any offense to anyone when I say this, but I don't think the Gryffs at HiH are any less bitchy than the Snakes. XD We all have individuals who are feisty and argumentative and many members who AREN'T.
4. You keep saying you are emotional and not sneaky/manipulative. While I think many Slytherins are good at keeping their real emotions under wraps and being "actors," I also think a lot of us (canonically and in HiH) are very passionate and outspoken and straightforward. Sarah is very up-front and open. A lot of us are self-identified Slytherdors. Many of the snakes in the books are not subtle (boot kick in the face, blatant favouritism) and can let their emotions get the best of them even when they do attempt to hide them (Draco and Snape, the two MAIN Slytherins, lose their cools repeatedly and are obviously hurt/angry). Do you think maybe you're just pigeonholing Slytherins and expecting them to conform to a strict standard? I mean, we have a very varied group at HiH and as you say most people don't fit 100% into one house. Is it possible that the traits you don't see as Slytherin in yourself are just "not Slytherin" because of your strict standards of what Slytherin should be?
I am sorry for my grueling questions, but as should be obvious, I really don't want to lose you so you're going to have to do a damn good job convincing me why I should let you go. XP
Re: PART ONE Aex_absoluteMarch 14 2009, 23:39:14 UTC
1. No, I think anywhere would be fine (and like I said in my app, you won't take me kicking and screaming back to Slytherin if all the judges decide to send me back. I will go back quietly. I just needed, to be honest to myself, to lodge an appeal because I felt as if I were in the wrong place. Every time someone said 'we are such a close house. every one talks all the time' I felt like saying bullshit, and I felt as if I was living something false by staying in the Slytherin house. I know, that sounds overly-dramatic. Try pretty much my whole life. I’m an overly-dramatic person.). I was only trying to answer a question because it was asked. I'd really would rather not discount any house at this point, quite frankly. I didn't want to say 'oh, I can't answer this question' because it seems like I'm trying to avoid a point. I could very well end up in Hufflepuff becuase, like I said somewhere else, I do see a bit of Hufflepuff in my application. Do I think it is an overwhelming amount? Not really, but I'm biased and ignorant because I know next to nothing about hufflepuff, canon or HiH wise.
2. *le sigh*
Right, well. There is the constant push for points. I’ve seen more house-bashing in our house than anywhere else. I’m not too fond of that. I’m sure you’ve seen me get pretty riled up in intro posts where people get upset because they ‘omg, I almost ended up in Gryffindor’ or ‘had a few Hufflepuff votes and would have died if I’ve gotten into that house’. Now, I know that can happen anywhere, but it has happened far more in the Slytherin house, in my opinion.
I feel like the Slytherin house has a good deal of shit-stirrers as well. Er, am I allowed to say that? O.O And since I am talking to you, might as well use you (you aren’t the only one though). You got upset over the comments people were making about Slytherin. Fair enough. But when someone disagreed with you, everything got thrown way out of proportion. You probably brushed it off; everything was fine in about two seconds right? But, I think you might have really gotten to other people and made them upset. Everything goes wonky when this Slytherin pride comes into question, and that bothers me immensely. I feel like everything needs a mediator when a Slytherin is involved because everyone is so easily riled up, and then they go away thinking ‘awesome’, but no one else does.
Also, the fact that I didn’t tell you originally that I thought you really were just making honest-to-god drama (your definition of it, btw) because I was freaked out about getting your wrath turned upon me? I don’t like that either. I feel that way with a lot of Slytherins though.
I’ve been told in passing (by another Slytherin) that some people avoid me specifically because I’m a bit of a bitch, but I’ve always felt like I had to be a bitch in our house to survive; I don’t like how the general feel and stereotype of the house mold my actions that way.
3. I really wouldn’t know anything about any other common room (except the Ravenclaw common room ‘cause I’ve got inside info :O), and so I have no pre-determined bias (good or bad) towards any other house. I only know what it is like in our common room where supposedly we are so close and talk all the time, but the only thing I ever see are posts about how we can totally win the cup this year because we are so awesome.
Now, given, there is probably the same sort of posting going on in the other common rooms. However, I’ve seen the most unrest about them from Slytherins, and I think that has to mean something, right? I’m not going to go into details here with who/what/when/why because there’s a certain level of trust that I think I would be breaking because of that. Just know it exists. :-/
As for the Gryffindor common room, I would really like to point out again, I’m sorry if it feels as if I am pushing Gryffindor. A lot of the questions that have been asked make it easy to slip into the Gryffindor/Slytherin comparisons. I’m not trying to say that I should be in Gryffindor, and that’s it; the only option. Not at all.
Re: PART ONE AslyfoxesqMarch 15 2009, 01:19:20 UTC
I am genuinely sorry for anything I've said or done to make you feel this way or contribute to the atmosphere that makes you feel this way.
If you are sorted back into Slytherin, do you think there's anything I or we as a house could do to make you feel more comfortable and work to correct these issues? I really, really hate knowing that there may be people who are not having fun and are put off by the group atmosphere/behaviour. Will you keep being active? Is there any way to patch this up?
Re: PART ONE Aex_absoluteMarch 15 2009, 01:29:27 UTC
I would stay active. I've been active so far right? Most of the activities are fun, or if they aren't, they are good procrastination material. I really like joining in @ HiH. I just don't like feeling that I absolutely have to do all these points-earning activities in order to be considered a good member of the Slytherin house.
Thank you for the apology. I'm not really mad and/or disappointed in anyone really. The group is just being the group, and that's great. In your eyes (your being collective here), you are all doing what you think is right and/or fun. No one should have to change that because I'm a crazy nutter, right? :) The Slytherin house acts like the Slytherin house thinks it should act, and I lodged an appeal becuase I don't agree with that. Not because the house is necessarily wrong, but because if that's what's right for the Slytherin house, then I can't be very Slytherin, can I?
I've got plenty of friends in Slytherin, and if I am sorted back in Slytherin, I already have plans to usurp Adam's spot in the Order (cause I've heard he isn't really into it anymore, right?), and start going nuts with house unity stuff.
If everyone decides I'm a Slytherin all the way, that's okay. There will be no hostility. The only revenge I'll take is spamming the common room with pictures of fluffy bunnies. Sorry. xD
Re: PART ONE Bex_absoluteMarch 14 2009, 23:39:31 UTC
4. Okay, I think this is a really important point. I'm not basing my descriptions on HiH. I'm basing them on canon. The sorting hat gives me several traits to work with. Cunning manipulation and sly behavior are two of those. I'm not saying that all the HiH Snakes conform to this. I'm saying that, if you go off strict house canon, I don't conform to these standards and probably not a single person here at HiH conforms to their set traits without disagreeing with a few or moving into another house's set.
Snape, yes he does get angry. However, the rest of his emotions? Kept under wraps. And he can even hide his anger. He was a spy after all. He had a bit of a Gryffindor tempter, but he could hide that temper fairly well if he wanted to. We don't get to see a lot of his time with Voldemort, but I think the general implication was he had to change a good deal of his typical emotional responses to things to survive.
As for Draco, I don't think he ever lost his temper in an overwhelming way like say Hermione or Ron (or Harry in Dumbledore's office). I also think that occasionally when he looses his temper, it is a manipulation device. He knows he is supposed to get angry, so he does because it will impress other people if he does. That isn't to say that happens all the time.
1. Explain why you would be a better fit in each of the other houses moreso than Slytherin. (You can use canon or HiH examples or both.)
I’d go into traits, but I’ve done that in my application so I feel it would be redundant to go through it again.
And since I’ve answered this question last, I’m just going to reiterate what you are going to read later on.
Basically, I think I’ll fit in better anywhere that isn’t Slytherin because of the atmosphere. There traits that we sort by affect how people act, how they want to be perceived, and I happen to not agree with the way Slytherin (as a whole) acts to personify their traits. Individually, for the most part, I can say that I think the HiH Slytherins are pretty decent people. However, as a group, there was this mentality of ambition and cunning and general bitchiness that I did not like at all. I don’t think we should have to do that to be part of our house, and while I am probably biased as I don’t know what goes on within all the other common rooms group wise (I only know individual people), I see the traits of the other houses as having less negative connotations as the Slytheirn house, and therefore, the mentality won’t mess with my delicate feelings.
So in short, I get my feelings hurt easily, and the Slytherin group sort of stomps all over those?
2. Can you quantify what it is exactly that you think will make you "fit in" better in another house? I have a hard time buying that the people in HiH are really that different based on whatever house we stick them in. I do think the atmosphere in the houses may be a bit different. You seem to be saying you want to transfer BOTH because you don't see yourself as a canon snake AND you think you'd fit better elsewhere in HiH. Could you explain the latter? What makes you think the Claw or Gryff or Puff common room will make you feel more at home? (Please pick whichever one you think you will fit into best, or you can do more than one if you think anything would be better than Slytherin. 8D)
Not people aren’t different. It is how they act based off the fact that we stick them in a certain house. Those “qualities” that we associate with each house put pressure on people to act a certain way. Slytherins will act different as Slytherins than they would as Hufflepuffs because of those traits we associate.
I think that, due to the way I take things, my dramatic nature, and my ability to blow things out o proportion, means that I am more likely to feel safe and appreciated in a house where all the traits have these negative connotations. I mean, how many Slytherins associate the word bitch with being in that house? I’ve seen that a lot, and I don’t like that.
I mean, just to sue an example, that debate way back when where you and I really got into it? Yeah, that really upset me (not because you thought I was wrong, that’s the nature of debate.) and that is one of the reasons why I think I’m better suited to another house. I don’t think a true Slytherin-living up to canon traits-would have gotten upset over that. The only reason you didn’t know I was upset was because we were over the internet, and I never said anything about it, really.
I think the traits that influence how we behave as a whole house are important to how a person feels about that house. So it is not just which traits fit best, but also how those traits make people act around me or each other.
It is, basically, the atmosphere that is important to me. Does any of that crazy rambling make sense?
**Also, I said both because, while I don’t think I fit it, you are also required to sort based on canon, and I wanted to cover than too. I didn’t want my argument to be picked apart because I failed to address the canon issue.
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Before I get to anything else and follow up stuff... Whuh? 8DDD This is probably horrible of me, but I seriously have no idea what you're referring to or what we possibly could have debated. I've dug through my gmail comments from you hoping for clues and haven't hit upon anything. Refresh my memory? 8D
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I don't mean to say I'm holding a grudge about it at all; I got over it pretty fast. The thing is that debate sort of hurt my feelings (probably for no good reason at all -_-;), and it is that sort of thing that gets to me. I'm just overly sensitive, I guess.
It is just the nature of Slytherin to go for the throat that I don't agree with and/or want to share in. At least, I'm pretty sure that's my point here.
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1. But you've said elsewhere in these questions that you wouldn't fit in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff either. Do you think Gryffindor is the only house for you at this point?
2. You keep saying it's not the individuals in Slytherin that you don't like but the group and aura of bitchiness. Could you give some specific examples of what you don't like? You can be honest and specific, I don't think anyone will get their feelings hurt. XD (I won't, anyway.)
3. What makes you think things will be drastically different with the Gryffindors? Without turning this into a battle of which house is best and which has the most problems, I've heard lots of complaints about the atmosphere in the Gryff common room as well. Do you think this could just be a case of "grass is greener"? I don't mean any offense to anyone when I say this, but I don't think the Gryffs at HiH are any less bitchy than the Snakes. XD We all have individuals who are feisty and argumentative and many members who AREN'T.
4. You keep saying you are emotional and not sneaky/manipulative. While I think many Slytherins are good at keeping their real emotions under wraps and being "actors," I also think a lot of us (canonically and in HiH) are very passionate and outspoken and straightforward. Sarah is very up-front and open. A lot of us are self-identified Slytherdors. Many of the snakes in the books are not subtle (boot kick in the face, blatant favouritism) and can let their emotions get the best of them even when they do attempt to hide them (Draco and Snape, the two MAIN Slytherins, lose their cools repeatedly and are obviously hurt/angry). Do you think maybe you're just pigeonholing Slytherins and expecting them to conform to a strict standard? I mean, we have a very varied group at HiH and as you say most people don't fit 100% into one house. Is it possible that the traits you don't see as Slytherin in yourself are just "not Slytherin" because of your strict standards of what Slytherin should be?
I am sorry for my grueling questions, but as should be obvious, I really don't want to lose you so you're going to have to do a damn good job convincing me why I should let you go. XP
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2. *le sigh*
Right, well. There is the constant push for points. I’ve seen more house-bashing in our house than anywhere else. I’m not too fond of that. I’m sure you’ve seen me get pretty riled up in intro posts where people get upset because they ‘omg, I almost ended up in Gryffindor’ or ‘had a few Hufflepuff votes and would have died if I’ve gotten into that house’. Now, I know that can happen anywhere, but it has happened far more in the Slytherin house, in my opinion.
I feel like the Slytherin house has a good deal of shit-stirrers as well. Er, am I allowed to say that? O.O And since I am talking to you, might as well use you (you aren’t the only one though). You got upset over the comments people were making about Slytherin. Fair enough. But when someone disagreed with you, everything got thrown way out of proportion. You probably brushed it off; everything was fine in about two seconds right? But, I think you might have really gotten to other people and made them upset. Everything goes wonky when this Slytherin pride comes into question, and that bothers me immensely. I feel like everything needs a mediator when a Slytherin is involved because everyone is so easily riled up, and then they go away thinking ‘awesome’, but no one else does.
Also, the fact that I didn’t tell you originally that I thought you really were just making honest-to-god drama (your definition of it, btw) because I was freaked out about getting your wrath turned upon me? I don’t like that either. I feel that way with a lot of Slytherins though.
I’ve been told in passing (by another Slytherin) that some people avoid me specifically because I’m a bit of a bitch, but I’ve always felt like I had to be a bitch in our house to survive; I don’t like how the general feel and stereotype of the house mold my actions that way.
3. I really wouldn’t know anything about any other common room (except the Ravenclaw common room ‘cause I’ve got inside info :O), and so I have no pre-determined bias (good or bad) towards any other house. I only know what it is like in our common room where supposedly we are so close and talk all the time, but the only thing I ever see are posts about how we can totally win the cup this year because we are so awesome.
Now, given, there is probably the same sort of posting going on in the other common rooms. However, I’ve seen the most unrest about them from Slytherins, and I think that has to mean something, right? I’m not going to go into details here with who/what/when/why because there’s a certain level of trust that I think I would be breaking because of that. Just know it exists. :-/
As for the Gryffindor common room, I would really like to point out again, I’m sorry if it feels as if I am pushing Gryffindor. A lot of the questions that have been asked make it easy to slip into the Gryffindor/Slytherin comparisons. I’m not trying to say that I should be in Gryffindor, and that’s it; the only option. Not at all.
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If you are sorted back into Slytherin, do you think there's anything I or we as a house could do to make you feel more comfortable and work to correct these issues? I really, really hate knowing that there may be people who are not having fun and are put off by the group atmosphere/behaviour. Will you keep being active? Is there any way to patch this up?
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Thank you for the apology. I'm not really mad and/or disappointed in anyone really. The group is just being the group, and that's great. In your eyes (your being collective here), you are all doing what you think is right and/or fun. No one should have to change that because I'm a crazy nutter, right? :) The Slytherin house acts like the Slytherin house thinks it should act, and I lodged an appeal becuase I don't agree with that. Not because the house is necessarily wrong, but because if that's what's right for the Slytherin house, then I can't be very Slytherin, can I?
I've got plenty of friends in Slytherin, and if I am sorted back in Slytherin, I already have plans to usurp Adam's spot in the Order (cause I've heard he isn't really into it anymore, right?), and start going nuts with house unity stuff.
If everyone decides I'm a Slytherin all the way, that's okay. There will be no hostility. The only revenge I'll take is spamming the common room with pictures of fluffy bunnies. Sorry. xD
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It's Saturday; would you like to suggest the meme topic for Club Night? ;D
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WHY DON'T WE HAVE A FOOD TOPIC? I LOVE FOOD.
I don't think we've had a food topic yet...
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Snape, yes he does get angry. However, the rest of his emotions? Kept under wraps. And he can even hide his anger. He was a spy after all. He had a bit of a Gryffindor tempter, but he could hide that temper fairly well if he wanted to. We don't get to see a lot of his time with Voldemort, but I think the general implication was he had to change a good deal of his typical emotional responses to things to survive.
As for Draco, I don't think he ever lost his temper in an overwhelming way like say Hermione or Ron (or Harry in Dumbledore's office). I also think that occasionally when he looses his temper, it is a manipulation device. He knows he is supposed to get angry, so he does because it will impress other people if he does. That isn't to say that happens all the time.
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