I feel kind of weird bringing this up... but I kind of need to let this out
So I'm doing my regular thing with archiving the Steve Wars. And I'm noticing some sly comments... (not saying by who or what they are in case people recognise who might have said them, because busting them won't make things better, it's just going to cause more animosity) that's kind of... well how I put it. Kind of being rude towards anyone who enjoys the Steve Wars.
I get it that not everyone likes it, but when exactly did it become okay for people to just outright whine about people who enjoy something different and behave like it shouldn't be allowed in this comm? I'm not being over sensitive with it. That was actually said. Yes, I know those people were just talking to each other and seems to have been said after everyone had gone onto a new page, but the fact it was being thought at all is really disheartening.
I'll be honest here, I hate the anon guessing games. But I know people enjoy it and it kills a bit of time. I wouldn't ever dream of thinking that those people shouldn't be on here just because they enjoy something I don't.
Honestly, this whole "us" versus "them" thing on these wars was getting annoying as it was to me. Just these sly comments I'm looking over takes the cake. And it slightly pisses me off because these days it seems perfectly fine for people to act like it's a gigantic problem the second someone mentions it or tries to initiate another war instead of just realising the Steves probably weren't around for a few days so wouldn't have known it was overdone. (This last one attempt, I actually notice one person just telling off the Steve after the page changed instead of calmly telling them that the Steve Wars are on break - I derped and kept refreshing the same old page and eventually saw it appear)
Honestly fandomly, what happened? What happened to all the understanding and supportive nature we used to have? Are some people so caught up in their rage over a stupid little role play that they're starting to forget that the people behind them are people with feelings too? I've never felt like it was bad to enjoy something before in this fandomly, until now.
I'm afraid I must have missed/overlooked that happening, but I can tell you that lately it just happened that a lot of members had awful days, and that might have caused it... you know how you're more sensitive and agitable when you had a bad day, right? And Steve wars always take some attention away from the regular comments, so maybe those two facts just clashed and upset whoever was involved. It's sad, but it can happen sometimes. :( What I did see was when a somewhat absent member wanted to play Steve and involuntarily got into an argument with Ven and some others, but everyone pretty much made up after that and there was a huge lovefest, so it wasn't as though people suddenly hated each other, it was just unlucky circumstances. We do still try to be there for each other as much as we can, so I think it's a bit unfair to imply that we break the bonds we had built up. It's only natural even with the closest of friends to have ups and downs, you can never completely prevent the downs from happening. The important thing is that we make up afterwards and don't stop caring, and as far as I can tell, we didn't and we are still close.
I can get people being agitated and not thinking about what they're saying may hurt people but really I think just seeing it going on so much is really getting to me. Because I'm not just seeing it once and getting to move on and forget about it. I see it, then go to another page or archive or trope-search and it's still there! I really feel like I can't escape it and it's giving me horrible feelings.
I just kind of wish people would have come out and said they wanted us to do it sparsely earlier, instead of making these comments that can come out hurtful and having to leave most of us find out about it else where, you know? It would have saved a lot of hurt in the end.
..honestly I know this happened yet idk what how who where when it happened Nor..believe this person is me? Annoyed with something someone else is doing is normal of you are human but consider that not every single thing you do pleases everyone Anway BACK TO THE TOPIC If this person want to stop this war, they have to have a valid reason Anything, not even just this Even if someone thinks image spam as something unfavourable but one thing. They should be reasonable AND tolerate the community Like what I said before? I don't like Steve War, but I just let it be as long as no ome try to violate this comm rule or wreck a havoc, literately havoc, chaos, bad things This person, instead of raging, it's wiser for this person to talk it personally and not with all raeg stuff It won't solve the problem, it'll only worsen it I want this comm to be enjoyable, if it's needed I will take an action But in my honest opinion, this war was supposed to be done randomly. I never expect it'll have a plot sinve this will restrict some others who want to play it freely How about separating what's 'in plot' and what's 'out of plot'? Sorry if I misunderstood something
Don't worry, this person is never you. I've told you before that I like your policy of just avoiding things you don't like~
I'm not seeing many valid reasons while looking back. To be honest, I know the only time I get it is when I outright asked people for it. I still just kind of wished this whole Steve War annoyance was brought out earlier before people let that annoyance bottle up in them and started coming out like this.
For the plot thing. I think it's been agreed that the Steves who want their plot are fine to go through with that. Just as long as they don't enforce their plot on other Steves who want to do it randomly. That way we can avoid the whole misunderstanding that happened before.
Ahaha I think this regulation should be done and told clearly to everyone It won't hurt, won't it? Or I can embed a cbox maybe, specially dedicated for Steve Wars? But I really am not into how people to stop someone from doing something if it has no harm to them.. Like...say: I don't like or hate this shit but not 'you should stop this shit'
I don't think a cbox should be put just for the Steve Wars, because it might feel like we're excluding all the people who aren't part of it. And some Steves don't want to follow the plots anyway, and I kind of like some of the randomness that goes on. If you think it's needed, should that regulation be added to the other Steve Wars regulations as a reminder to people?
Actually what you just said was contrast to what Ven wants She wants to exclude those who won't participate from the war Idk tbh, but I think that defies the main and first purpose of this war I think plotless one will be nice since it's too hard to manage such big thing...not only big but the nature itself is very wild and uncontrollable I'll make more reminder..and change the one on top to something as short as Be considerate Don't godmode Steve Be nice and play nice Tolerate each other
I kind of don't like the thought of excluding people. It's just a fun thing, and there's always people who just drop in on their first Steve War and want to join. It's a little rough on them if we just exclude them when they really want to be part of it just because they weren't there for the first war. It's not like we force people into it... but people should have the choice if they want to join or not.
That would be helpful. Maybe you can shorten the rules for how to play a Steve? Because not everyone is familiar with HetaOni, and it'd be a nice way for people who want to be a Steve to look up what he's capable of doing.
Yeah, I think Steve War and everything else can run together smoothly in parallel.. oh, Ven said she dropped the plot Steve War thing =/ yeah, people might not know what this monster do. I'll try to sum things up.. I'll edit it in a moment while my fingers are itching to type
=/ (Sorry if this is slightly incoherent, it's a bit late and I can hardly remember my own name)yuunoseiMarch 14 2012, 11:34:26 UTC
You shouldn't feel weird bringing it up--if we actually are a family, then it would be nice to talk about stuff like this.
Firstly, I commend you on the fact that you're actually going through all the pages to archive this thang. That's impressive.
Also, I have not read any of the comments (maybe because I tend to not be on during Steve Wars...) so I don't really understand what you're talking about. You're being pretty descriptive, though, so I can say with fair confidence that your opinion seems a lot more well thought out than the people who are "making sly comments." Actually, to be honest, I might be one of the people you think do that (since I go off whenever there is a Steve War--they tend to lag the crap out of me, and I can't keep up anyways.) (If so, I apologize, I didn't mean my poofs to come out that way. No pun intended.)
I guess it's kind of unavoidable, like how some people just strongly dislike the ideas of other pairings existing besides their OTPs. Of course, it WOULD be nice if we could get along (like you mentioned, different people like and dislike different things)--are we a family, or not?
I feel like the reason that the community is kind of breaking apart is that we're no longer really super united by our one goal of HIMAAAAAAAAAAA. I mean, if you think about it, we really are just a group of (mainly, I think) antisocialites far flung across the many culture and countries on this Earth. There will no doubt be some friction--people as individuals argue; we have been raised differently from each other and are here united by only Hetalia (at first, anyways). It's difficult when the one huge common factor connecting ALL of us together is gone. Combine that with the fact that many of us were on break when this started = less stress vs. now when schools, jobs, etc are going and less people are coming on, and some of the people snap at this comm due to their outside problems (or maybe they just don't like the comm anymore, which is also acceptable).
Either way, I am not sure if I am rambling (I think I am, so sorry) but I also hope that people can become more understanding again. Though again, it is understandable (but NOT really acceptable) why people would behave in this manner.
Of course, people might just (hopefully) not know how their actions (or rather, words) are being interpreted.
Re: =/ (Sorry if this is slightly incoherent, it's a bit late and I can hardly remember my own name)talonicefireMarch 14 2012, 12:15:06 UTC
Don't apologise for your wall of text. I really understood where you were coming from.
Yeah, with Hima gone and all the school work/work work around people just seem more inclined to rant about things. It's still kind of uncomfortable doing something though when you know people are disapproving of it, and you have no idea if there's some other reason and people just aren't actually meaning to take it out on you. I guess I kind of want the assurance that it wasn't just the fandomly turning on each other, and that I'm just looking at too much Steve War related material.
Hoping that there's a bit more understanding now with the fandom about these Wars. I'm kind of looking at comments more before people finally got out that they want it to occur less, so maybe now that it's cooled down again it won't happen again.
I actually don't like to participate in Steve wars (I don't really know what to do XD) but I don't mind them. It's fun to watch them play out, especially if other characters appear.
If there are too many of them in a row it gets a bit annoying though. (By that I mean just hours between wars, it has happened.) But I don't want to ruin anyone's fun! ;A; The wars liven up the thread and some people enjoy them a lot.
I usually comment I wont take part, but I don't mean everybody else should stop. It's never bad to enjoy something even if the others don't.
I don't think anyone in the fandomly really wants to argue, we are too close for that. I guess it depends on people's moods. If they have something they really want to say and it's overshadowed by a war I can understand why they would be frustrated.
You should always ask one of us to help you with what to do if you want to join. I'd be happy to help!
Yeah, it was kind of difficult with there being so many wars together in a row. Though I always find it too hard to tell any one of the Steves to stop because I generally get the idea that they've not been around for days and hadn't known how many wars had happened since. (I usually play a Steve after it starts to help the Steve with keeping up with people, but I never start them myself cause of the sheer number of them)
Hoping that maybe this few day break will calm people down so that they won't be annoyed with the next war.
So I'm doing my regular thing with archiving the Steve Wars. And I'm noticing some sly comments... (not saying by who or what they are in case people recognise who might have said them, because busting them won't make things better, it's just going to cause more animosity) that's kind of... well how I put it. Kind of being rude towards anyone who enjoys the Steve Wars.
I get it that not everyone likes it, but when exactly did it become okay for people to just outright whine about people who enjoy something different and behave like it shouldn't be allowed in this comm? I'm not being over sensitive with it. That was actually said. Yes, I know those people were just talking to each other and seems to have been said after everyone had gone onto a new page, but the fact it was being thought at all is really disheartening.
I'll be honest here, I hate the anon guessing games. But I know people enjoy it and it kills a bit of time. I wouldn't ever dream of thinking that those people shouldn't be on here just because they enjoy something I don't.
Honestly, this whole "us" versus "them" thing on these wars was getting annoying as it was to me. Just these sly comments I'm looking over takes the cake. And it slightly pisses me off because these days it seems perfectly fine for people to act like it's a gigantic problem the second someone mentions it or tries to initiate another war instead of just realising the Steves probably weren't around for a few days so wouldn't have known it was overdone. (This last one attempt, I actually notice one person just telling off the Steve after the page changed instead of calmly telling them that the Steve Wars are on break - I derped and kept refreshing the same old page and eventually saw it appear)
Honestly fandomly, what happened? What happened to all the understanding and supportive nature we used to have? Are some people so caught up in their rage over a stupid little role play that they're starting to forget that the people behind them are people with feelings too? I've never felt like it was bad to enjoy something before in this fandomly, until now.
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What I did see was when a somewhat absent member wanted to play Steve and involuntarily got into an argument with Ven and some others, but everyone pretty much made up after that and there was a huge lovefest, so it wasn't as though people suddenly hated each other, it was just unlucky circumstances. We do still try to be there for each other as much as we can, so I think it's a bit unfair to imply that we break the bonds we had built up. It's only natural even with the closest of friends to have ups and downs, you can never completely prevent the downs from happening. The important thing is that we make up afterwards and don't stop caring, and as far as I can tell, we didn't and we are still close.
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I just kind of wish people would have come out and said they wanted us to do it sparsely earlier, instead of making these comments that can come out hurtful and having to leave most of us find out about it else where, you know? It would have saved a lot of hurt in the end.
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I can't bring myself to say anything serious about the fandomly being mean to each other..hopefully they don't actually mean it I guess..
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Nor..believe this person is me?
Annoyed with something someone else is doing is normal of you are human
but consider that not every single thing you do pleases everyone
Anway BACK TO THE TOPIC
If this person want to stop this war, they have to have a valid reason
Anything, not even just this
Even if someone thinks image spam as something unfavourable but one thing. They should be reasonable AND tolerate the community
Like what I said before? I don't like Steve War, but I just let it be as long as no ome try to violate this comm rule or wreck a havoc, literately havoc, chaos, bad things
This person, instead of raging, it's wiser for this person to talk it personally and not with all raeg stuff
It won't solve the problem, it'll only worsen it
I want this comm to be enjoyable, if it's needed I will take an action
But in my honest opinion, this war was supposed to be done randomly. I never expect it'll have a plot sinve this will restrict some others who want to play it freely
How about separating what's 'in plot' and what's 'out of plot'?
Sorry if I misunderstood something
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I'm not seeing many valid reasons while looking back. To be honest, I know the only time I get it is when I outright asked people for it. I still just kind of wished this whole Steve War annoyance was brought out earlier before people let that annoyance bottle up in them and started coming out like this.
For the plot thing. I think it's been agreed that the Steves who want their plot are fine to go through with that. Just as long as they don't enforce their plot on other Steves who want to do it randomly. That way we can avoid the whole misunderstanding that happened before.
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I think this regulation should be done and told clearly to everyone
It won't hurt, won't it?
Or I can embed a cbox maybe, specially dedicated for Steve Wars?
But I really am not into how people to stop someone from doing something if it has no harm to them..
Like...say: I don't like or hate this shit but not 'you should stop this shit'
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She wants to exclude those who won't participate from the war
Idk tbh, but I think that defies the main and first purpose of this war
I think plotless one will be nice since it's too hard to manage such big thing...not only big but the nature itself is very wild and uncontrollable
I'll make more reminder..and change the one on top to something as short as
Be considerate
Don't godmode Steve
Be nice and play nice
Tolerate each other
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That would be helpful.
Maybe you can shorten the rules for how to play a Steve? Because not everyone is familiar with HetaOni, and it'd be a nice way for people who want to be a Steve to look up what he's capable of doing.
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oh, Ven said she dropped the plot Steve War thing =/
yeah, people might not know what this monster do. I'll try to sum things up.. I'll edit it in a moment while my fingers are itching to type
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Firstly, I commend you on the fact that you're actually going through all the pages to archive this thang. That's impressive.
Also, I have not read any of the comments (maybe because I tend to not be on during Steve Wars...) so I don't really understand what you're talking about. You're being pretty descriptive, though, so I can say with fair confidence that your opinion seems a lot more well thought out than the people who are "making sly comments." Actually, to be honest, I might be one of the people you think do that (since I go off whenever there is a Steve War--they tend to lag the crap out of me, and I can't keep up anyways.) (If so, I apologize, I didn't mean my poofs to come out that way. No pun intended.)
I guess it's kind of unavoidable, like how some people just strongly dislike the ideas of other pairings existing besides their OTPs. Of course, it WOULD be nice if we could get along (like you mentioned, different people like and dislike different things)--are we a family, or not?
I feel like the reason that the community is kind of breaking apart is that we're no longer really super united by our one goal of HIMAAAAAAAAAAA. I mean, if you think about it, we really are just a group of (mainly, I think) antisocialites far flung across the many culture and countries on this Earth. There will no doubt be some friction--people as individuals argue; we have been raised differently from each other and are here united by only Hetalia (at first, anyways).
It's difficult when the one huge common factor connecting ALL of us together is gone.
Combine that with the fact that many of us were on break when this started = less stress vs. now when schools, jobs, etc are going and less people are coming on, and some of the people snap at this comm due to their outside problems (or maybe they just don't like the comm anymore, which is also acceptable).
Either way, I am not sure if I am rambling (I think I am, so sorry) but I also hope that people can become more understanding again.
Though again, it is understandable (but NOT really acceptable) why people would behave in this manner.
Of course, people might just (hopefully) not know how their actions (or rather, words) are being interpreted.
Sorry about the wall of text ._.
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Yeah, with Hima gone and all the school work/work work around people just seem more inclined to rant about things. It's still kind of uncomfortable doing something though when you know people are disapproving of it, and you have no idea if there's some other reason and people just aren't actually meaning to take it out on you. I guess I kind of want the assurance that it wasn't just the fandomly turning on each other, and that I'm just looking at too much Steve War related material.
Hoping that there's a bit more understanding now with the fandom about these Wars. I'm kind of looking at comments more before people finally got out that they want it to occur less, so maybe now that it's cooled down again it won't happen again.
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If there are too many of them in a row it gets a bit annoying though. (By that I mean just hours between wars, it has happened.) But I don't want to ruin anyone's fun! ;A; The wars liven up the thread and some people enjoy them a lot.
I usually comment I wont take part, but I don't mean everybody else should stop. It's never bad to enjoy something even if the others don't.
I don't think anyone in the fandomly really wants to argue, we are too close for that. I guess it depends on people's moods. If they have something they really want to say and it's overshadowed by a war I can understand why they would be frustrated.
(Long comment is long. XD)
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Yeah, it was kind of difficult with there being so many wars together in a row. Though I always find it too hard to tell any one of the Steves to stop because I generally get the idea that they've not been around for days and hadn't known how many wars had happened since. (I usually play a Steve after it starts to help the Steve with keeping up with people, but I never start them myself cause of the sheer number of them)
Hoping that maybe this few day break will calm people down so that they won't be annoyed with the next war.
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